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RE: Not Proud of the current President.


Very well said, Randy.  I thought the same thing, only the words in my mind weren't quite as eloquently put. wink



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Steve Powell wrote:

This is why I asked the question.  Thanks Jib, thanks R. Hill.


 ..and that is why we write on this page....the agreement to disagree, in a civil manner is exactly what you were trying to encourage in the first place right?

Those of us who read the opposing viewpoints, can then make our own informed decisions of what we believe.  It is so very seldom that people of differing ideals can lock horns on an impartial forum and let the strengths of the argument determine the outcomes. We have such a place here....

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This is why I asked the question.  Thanks Jib, thanks R. Hill.



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Steve----About the three references that Jibslider used:
The editors of Counter punch: Alexander ****burn (pronounced Coburn) is an expatriate Irishman living in Northern California as a radical leftist journalist.
                                               Jeffrey St. Clair---Sure, "Santorum is an *******. But he’s not one of a kind"
Norm Dixon who wrote the story in Counter Punch also writes stories for one of the other reference sites mention by Jibslider--Greenleft weekly
Although the GLW project was initiated by one left organisation — the Democratic Socialist Party, which has since merged into the Socialist Alliance — it was conceived as a publication for the broader progressive movements.
The second Climate Change Social Change conference that will be held in September this year at the University of Melbourne. GLW will cosponsor this conference together with the university’s Office for Environmental Programs.
The other source used for info was Iran chamber of commerce--- Yes THAT Iran,While it was hard to locate using supplied info it seems to be Iranian/India in orgin
Hardley creditable Resources,but that's what was used.



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disbeliefIn December, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney declared that ensuring "middle-class Americans don't have their taxes go up on January 1st" was the president's "number one priority." Perhaps it was, but what Carney failed to mention was that it was just one of up to 12 "number one priorities" declared by the president since taking office - many of them often conflicting or overlapping.Obama nears the end of his first term as president having averaged four "number one priorities" each year.no



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Here's a link with some sources: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php

more sources: http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/26825

another: http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/



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Do you have solid proof of this, Jib?  Not that he looked good in a suit and on a horse, but that he gave these weapons to Saddam?



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Reagan may have looked pretty in his suits eating his jelly beans, but he did give chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein and drove the country into an increasing national debt problem.

He also looked good on horses.



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Yes, me to,I remember when Ronald Reagan would always wear his suit when in the Presidential  office and would expect other visitors to do also.



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I respect the Office of the White House.  Not much more to say other than that.



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Still not proud of the current President of the U.S.A!.no

I Wonder how much credit he'll take for the Oil boom?confuse



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LOL...good points Jib.  But then again the Colonel was probaby in a KKK clan somewhere at some point so eating KFC would be considered supporting racists.



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Steve Powell wrote:

Just a quick preface to these comments, I am in no way, shape, or form a proponent of Obama.

However, I'm not sure I see anything wrong with Japanese food on Pearl Harbor Day..and here's why.

While I believe stongly it is vitally important to always remember Pearl Harbor and all of those men and women who parished that day, I don't believe we should continue to hold on to that grudge with the Japanese for that day.  The reason being is that we have developed a strong relationship with Japan since.  They are a strong economic ally that provides us with an important strategic military presence.  Plus, they lost many men and women of their own due to that day.  So to share that day with them in a manner that would show that we do not have ill feelings towards them anymore is ok with me...although it would be better if they served hot dogs along with the Japanese food.   Just my opinion.

 



-- Edited by Steve Powell on Friday 9th of December 2011 08:54:56 AM


 Now... hot dogs are also referred to as  frankfurters. Are you sure you want to eat a German food on the day a country that aligned with Nazi Germany bombed America? You can't eat hamgurgers anymore either... and then there's beer. biggrin

I guess we're stuck with Kentucky Fried Chicken.



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R Hill wrote:
...You've missed the whole point of your hero being a jerk and not very bright.Your analogy is weak at best.



-- Edited by R Hill on Friday 9th of December 2011 12:48:58 AM



-- Edited by R Hill on Friday 9th of December 2011 12:50:30 AM


 Naaa... my hero is my father.



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Every president in history has been a "jerk" in one way or another... except maybe Jimmy Carter. biggrin



-- Edited by Jibslider on Saturday 10th of December 2011 08:14:56 PM

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Just a quick preface to these comments, I am in no way, shape, or form a proponent of Obama.

However, I'm not sure I see anything wrong with Japanese food on Pearl Harbor Day..and here's why.

While I believe stongly it is vitally important to always remember Pearl Harbor and all of those men and women who parished that day, I don't believe we should continue to hold on to that grudge with the Japanese for that day.  The reason being is that we have developed a strong relationship with Japan since.  They are a strong economic ally that provides us with an important strategic military presence.  Plus, they lost many men and women of their own due to that day.  So to share that day with them in a manner that would show that we do not have ill feelings towards them anymore is ok with me...although it would be better if they served hot dogs along with the Japanese food.   Just my opinion.

 



-- Edited by Steve Powell on Friday 9th of December 2011 08:54:56 AM

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You've missed the whole point of your hero being a jerk and not very bright.

-- Edited by R Hill on Friday 9th of December 2011 12:50:30 AM


 Make no mistake....he IS very, very, very, bright; and is a jerk.  God forbid he should be elected again.  Someday Jib, someday....you will come into the light...  ;o)

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@jibslider---What's Obama supposed to do? you ask-----How about shut his mouth ,just who the he!! is he when in another country?. He is an embarrassement. By the way I don't see any posts in the "Proud of my current President"Hmmmmm.



-- Edited by R Hill on Monday 5th of December 2011 11:50:50 PM


 I think the actual embarrassment is the performance of our students in the areas Obama was pointing out, not that he reported the truth. It's like saying Matt Lauer is an embarrassment by pointing out that Alec Baldwin got kicked of an airplane, instead of saying that Alec Baldwin is an embarrassment.


Wow!using two flaming liberals to make a dull point.One is a cry baby" I want to play my game on my phone,Wah,Wah,Wah". You are right in saying it is an embarrassment that the American children are behind in math and science scores.While that is true, Obama might have thought twice before casting America’s public school kids in a negative light to foreign students. Especially since he can exclude his own children from the system by paying for them to attend private school.(who by the way served "japanese" food in observence of Japans deadly attack on Pearl Harbor).  You've missed the whole point of your hero being a jerk and not very bright.Your analogy is weak at best.



-- Edited by R Hill on Friday 9th of December 2011 12:48:58 AM



-- Edited by R Hill on Friday 9th of December 2011 12:50:30 AM

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@jibslider---What's Obama supposed to do? you ask-----How about shut his mouth ,just who the he!! is he when in another country?. He is an embarrassement. By the way I don't see any posts in the "Proud of my current President"Hmmmmm.



-- Edited by R Hill on Monday 5th of December 2011 11:50:50 PM


 I think the actual embarrassment is the performance of our students in the areas Obama was pointing out, not that he reported the truth. It's like saying Matt Lauer is an embarrassment by pointing out that Alec Baldwin got kicked of an airplane, instead of saying that Alec Baldwin is an embarrassment.



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By the way I don't see any posts in the "Proud of my current President"Hmmmmm.

-- Edited by R Hill on Monday 5th of December 2011 11:50:50 PM


 Probably because we don't have an R Hill to take the opposing side.  It means nothing, though, just that you're very dedicated to disparaging the President.

Good job sourcing the last post, though.  I certainly appreciate that.



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The following is only a short list of many,many more things said and done in only The president(Obama)'s first 100 days-----Sorry for the length.---Well, at least his supproters should be!

 

--Barack Obama was speaking at the University of Indonesia in Jakarta and said, “It is a story written into our national mottos. In the United States, our motto is E pluribus unum — out of many, one.Once again Obama’s teleprompters have failed him.

---President Obama had to pull this one out of Joe Biden’s playbook- Talking over the English National Anthem. Obama thought that it was, like a soundtrack to his speech. the Queen was NOT amused and everyone else in the room felt very uncomfortable. Even the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg looked uncomfortable as Obama explained that he thought the anthem playing was like a soundtrack.
As he went to raise his glass the Queen ignored him as the National Anthem is was playing and it’s not tradition to toast, or to speak while the anthem plays

---Soon after Obama took office he pledged that his administrated would cut the deficit in half. Closing in on the last year of his term his pledge made in February of 2009 is laughable, and just another item on his list of lies.

--Project Fast and Furious was funded by $10 million in stimulus: Think about all the criminal and drug cartel jobs saved or created. The Obama administration is raising scrutiny of gun buyers in the border states rather than investigating Fast and Furious, a program that armed criminals with no scrutiny at all.
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--A controversy has been started by this White House photograph that was taken against the wishes of the 19 of the 30 families and against Pentagon policy. It was posted yesterday on whitehouse.gov as the picture of the day. It clarifies the event for us all; it’s in fact not about the 38 individuals that died. It’s about Obama. About what a great leader he is and about how compassionate he is to make the pit stop before he goes on vacation while the debt continues to rise and more people lose their jobs.

--I had the great honor of seeing some of you because a comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn’t receiving it posthumously.'
To Mr Obama's embarrassment, the hero soldier was killed in action in Afghanistan on June 21, 2006, and awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously on September 17, 2009.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2007739/Obama-mistakes-surviving-Medal-Honor-recipient-dead-hero-soldier-address-U-S-troops.html#ixzz1fjHHtCht

--In their first meeting, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown gave Obama a carved ornamental penholder from the timbers of the anti-slavery ship HMS Gannet. Obama gave him 25 DVDs that don't work in Europe.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjIWh7uh

---"I've been practicing bowling. I bowled a 129. It was like the Special Olympics or something." -- Obama on "The Tonight Show"
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjJ4hAKJ

--Obama bows to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at a G-20 meeting in London.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjJVW2Hi

--. After saying he wouldn't have lobbyists in his administration, Obama made 17 exceptions in the first two weeks in office.
including Tom Daschle, who worked as a top lobbyist yet was going to be appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services -- until his failure to pay income taxes
 derailed his appointment.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjJvrneR
--"And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it." -- Obama during his first State Of The Union address. A German invented the automobile
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjL5JX2U
--Obama: "[Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc.], said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off." Jim Owens: "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjLfXSEi
In the third sentence of his first speech as president, Obama said, "44 Americans have now taken the presidential oath." The correct number is 43, as Grover Cleveland served twice.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjM7OTVQ
--The $49 million inauguration -- triple what taxpayers spent at Bush's first inauguration.
-- Giving the Queen of England an iPod full of his own speeches.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjMR9XzW
--"Ten days before his inauguration, the President's chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Rohmer, released a report describing what to expect economically during the first 100 days and beyond. It presented two starkly different scenarios: one good (if the stimulus were to be passed), and one terrifyingly bad (if we did nothing). Amazingly, the report estimated that if the stimulus package were to pass, the unemployment rate would not go above 8% at any time until at least 2014.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_iqmvJLSvDfvUIxgNkYBrjM#ixzz1fjMyj99k













-- Edited by R Hill on Tuesday 6th of December 2011 12:03:59 AM

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@jibslider---What's Obama supposed to do? you ask-----How about shut his mouth ,just who the he!! is he when in another country?. He is an embarrassement. By the way I don't see any posts in the "Proud of my current President"Hmmmmm.



-- Edited by R Hill on Monday 5th of December 2011 11:50:50 PM

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What's Obama supposed to do, blow smoke and mirrors up their ass instead of admitting the truth?



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From theWhite House Dossier :There’s an unwritten rule in politics that politicians must not criticize the president when they are overseas. How about adding America’s school kids to the list of untouchables?

Speaking at a high school in Australia, President Obama told a group of Aussie students that their counterparts in his country had “fallen behind" when it comes to math and science, saying he wants to reform the public school system.

Obama also asserted that poor children don’t get “support they need when they’re very young’’ and are “already behind’’’ when they enter grammar school, according to a press pool report.......................Way to go President Of the United States of America!. What a very chicken Hearted thing to say. I want reform also,in 2012. Maybe ,while he was in one of the 57 states,"Asia"he could have looked up his past teachers and asked them"why am I so smart and others are dumb".?



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The following is for those who think alternate energy sourses will replace our need for oil(by that I mean U.S.A. oil)--------------------------

 A little more than a year ago, President Obama hailed Solyndra during a tour of the company, saying it expected to hire 1,000 workers and make enough panels over the lifetime of its planned expanded facility that it would be like replacing eight coal-fired power plants.

“It’s here that companies like Solyndra are leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future, Mr. Obama said.

FBI agents stand guard outside the headquarters of Solyndra, a solar firm in Fremont, Calif., on Sept. 8, 2011. The FBI executed search warrants at the headquarters of the firm, which received a $535 million loan from the federal government. (Associated Press)FBI agents stand guard outside the headquarters of Solyndra, a solar firm in Fremont, Calif., on Sept. 8, 2011. The FBI executed search warrants at the headquarters of the firm, which received a $535 million loan from the federal government. (Associated Press)

The company’s bankruptcy petition came two years after Energy Secretary Stephen Chu and Vice President Joseph R. Biden announced approval of $535 million in federal loans to Solyndra.  --------------------------One of the largest private investors in the deal, Oklahoma billionaire George Kaiser, was also a prominent fundraiser for Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.                      



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Wow, We must be living in an alternate reality.  Obama struck down an EPA rule. 

Crazy, huh?



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R Hill wrote:

I would like to also add this........................

As the Texas Tribune wrote today08-26-2011 on the current state of the new regulations in the Lonestar State:

“The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a rule last week requiring licensed firearms dealers to report to the agency any time two or more long rifles are sold to the same buyer within a five-day period…The new requirement specifically pertains to rifles with calibers greater than .22 and capable of holding a detachable clip and that are sold in the four states that border Mexico, including Arizona, California and New Mexico.

............I challange anybody to tell me why they still support or are proud of The current President.  Of The United States of America( for those of you who think your funny in asking "president of who,what or where?)


 

I’m not saying this is a good idea, but I can see why they are doing this.  Several of the weapons used by the Mexican cartels in their bloody conflict are purchased in American stores.  Tracking frequent buyers is a way to try to stem the flow of weapons into Mexico.  And yes, I’m aware that of the 30,000 guns seized by the Mexican government, something like 8,700 were submitted to the U.S. for tracing.  Of that 8,000, 87% were found to be purchased in the U.S.  Even if all 30,000 guns were not submitted, however, this is still statistically significant.

 

That being said, the sheer amount of paperwork and cost from the gun store owners side makes this an unreasonable law.  Regulation is typically a bad thing, and while it has its place this certainly isn’t one of them.  Other than a purely business standpoint, that is, the cost to the business owners, I fail to see a problem with this regulation.

 



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I would like to also add this........................

As the Texas Tribune wrote today08-26-2011 on the current state of the new regulations in the Lonestar State:

“The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a rule last week requiring licensed firearms dealers to report to the agency any time two or more long rifles are sold to the same buyer within a five-day period…The new requirement specifically pertains to rifles with calibers greater than .22 and capable of holding a detachable clip and that are sold in the four states that border Mexico, including Arizona, California and New Mexico.

............I challange anybody to tell me why they still support or are proud of The current President.  Of The United States of America( for those of you who think your funny in asking "president of who,what or where?)



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Team Obama Regulates Goat Herders' Workplaces

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The Obama administration is setting new workplace regulations to assist foreign workers who fill goat herding positions in the U.S. , including employee-paid cell phones and comfy beds.These new special procedures issued by the Labor Department must be followed by employers who want to hire temporary agricultural foreign workers to perform sheep herding or goat herding activities.  It describes strict rules for sleeping quarters, lighting, food storage, bathing, laundry, cooking and new rules for the counters where food is prepared.-------   Under the Obama Administration, the nanny state has imposed 75 new major regulations with annual costs of $38 billion.----------------------I can't wait for 2012!



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No single party to blame.  In fact, I still think the Tea Party is more about opening eyes to over spending.  I have no problem with that.

I do agree with alot of what was quoted.



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Right - especially since we have been down graded to AA+. Thanks to President Obama.


 I'm pretty sure that the Tea Party's insistance that NOT paying the national debt was a negotiable topic contributed (but certainly was not the sole casue) to S&P's decision.  I found this comment in their analysis particularly illuminating:

[W]e have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration … to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon. … The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy.



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Steve,

 The only reason Putin said we are a parisite to the global economy is that his global economy view is a socialistic one.  A capital economy is considered parasitic to a social economy because they see that capitalism works and is part of a free society.I remember when Romald Reagon said that if their people saw what freedom we had they would want it. He was right. You are correct thou in saying we need to turn this ship around. . 

On another note, what about the vikes this year?



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True Steve, but,  it would be helpful if he would pull his head out of the sand and quit giving political speeches. And blaming everyone but himself.



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I hate to say this, Vicki, but the governments blatent spending of more money than it takes in started way prior to Obama.  He has merely magnified it. 

 

The global economy is tanking, not just ours.  I can see other countries including China endind up with similar downgrades as ours.

 

Putin was right on by saying our economy is parasitic to the global economy. We need to turn the ship around and we MUST do it quickly.

 



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Right - especially since we have been down graded to AA+. Thanks to President Obama.



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A  flashback of Obama circa 2009, in which he stated that his presidency would be a “one-term proposition” if the economy did not turn around on his watch in “three years.” His statement, made that February, puts Obama less than six months out from his three-year milestone.

“Look, I’m at the start of my administration. One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I’ve got four years,” Obama told The Today Show’s Matt Lauer on February 1, 2009.

“A year from now I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress,” said Obama. ”But there’s still going to be some pain out there. If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

One wonders if, as 2012 approaches, Obama will still think it “nice” to be “held accountable.”



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Ten oil rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico since the Obama Administration imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil and gas drilling in May 2010, according to documentation the Pelican Institute obtained from Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) office.The ten rigs named in the document are: Marinas, Discover Americas, Ocean Endeavor, Ocean Confidence, Stena Forth, Clyde Bourdeaux, Ensco 8503, Deep Ocean Clarion, Discover Spirit, and Amirante. The rigs have left the Gulf for locations in Egypt, Congo, French Guiana, Liberia, Nigeria and Brazil.Unfortunately, the “political uncertainty” surrounding the Gulf region has discouraged companies from making investments that could help spur economic growth, Don Briggs, president of the Louisiana Oil and Gas Association (LOGA), laments. Even before the 10 rigs cited in the document from Vitter’s office pulled out, eight other rigs that were planned for the Gulf were detoured away, Briggs said.-------------------No thanks to The current President of the United States of America.



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If I could be nice and polite about this, I would.   I find that I can not. 



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Steve Powell wrote:

Let's not look at the issues from a left leaning or right leaning standpoint.  Let's just talk about the issues from the standpoint of how we think things could improve.  But first of all we need to address the issues.  I'll bullet point a couple and you guys add on.  Don't give your thoughts on how or why the current admin is doing good or bad.  Just add points of discussion.  I'll start.

  1. Terrorism -- we're fighting a war we civilians probably don't understand.  We've spread our forces thin.
  2. Economy - what all is involved in this?  Housing market? Interest rates?  Dow Jones?  Go ahead and add to this.   

           a. Education costs/quality

    3. Jobs -- tough everywhere but here.

    4. Border issues -- primarily from the south.

Continue with this and once we get a complete list we'll start breaking them down one at a time.

 


 I made Education sub-point A. of the Economy point.



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Steve, I think you could link #2 and #4 together. Of course as the economy dwindles, as does $$ for education. School funding may not be an issue in ND, but it is an issue in almost all other states of the union, especially in Oregon.

Also as the economy takes a tumble there is a fine line that folks walk trying to achieve higher education. Lose your job, go back to school... but now you have to pay escalating tuition costs. Should all higher education institutions be "non-profit"? There are many many questions that need to be answered in terms of tuition hikes and student loan rates being locked at 6.8%? Should large lending firms strong lobby in congress continue to dictate student loan rates?

I'm getting a little vaclempt, talk amongst yourselves.



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Let's not look at the issues from a left leaning or right leaning standpoint.  Let's just talk about the issues from the standpoint of how we think things could improve.  But first of all we need to address the issues.  I'll bullet point a couple and you guys add on.  Don't give your thoughts on how or why the current admin is doing good or bad.  Just add points of discussion.  I'll start.

  1. Terrorism -- we're fighting a war we civilians probably don't understand.  We've spread our forces thin.
  2. Economy - what all is involved in this?  Housing market? Interest rates?  Dow Jones?  Go ahead and add to this.
  3. Jobs -- tough everywhere but here.
  4. Education -- are our students falling further behind?
  5. Border issues -- primarily from the south.

Continue with this and once we get a complete list we'll start breaking them down one at a time.

 



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Of all the idea's mentioned - my question to all you who are smarter than me - Where does all this leave the US in this world.  Weaker or Stronger?  Is this President making us Weaker or Stronger?  And how do you feel about our families - son's and daughter's fighting in wars, non of anyone of us want, If, it only makes us weaker?  I do not trust our leadership in place, any one of them,  when our own border's are not secure.  I feel they think they are all to important to bother with the people who are ordered to pay their taxes, while they waste it.  Now, that is lazy and not doing your JOB.  I feel our President Obama was not up to the task and now we all have do take a Real Look at who is going to be Running.  Replublican or Democrate,  just the Best. 



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Well, if I could fit into another skinny jean..... I might just fly to another country - until then  I will take care of my business.  Wear the fat ones and give away the rest.  They are ready to be boxed up and delivered.    



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My recycled denim is now called....skinny jeans.



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The internet and skype (sp) could get rid of alot of traveling.  For Speaker's trying to educate everyone.....Promoting their books making a Point.  Our Government, not having to fly here and there.  And not having our Airforce follow them...Maybe - do your job and not bring the family with for a vacation.   Lot's and Lot's of thing's could - should - and won't happen.



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No way Jib.  How are you  and my family to get on a plane and fly to other state's or countries, to better them.  It is unending.  We in the United States  are to do this and do that, yet, I see my sister and her bff on thier travels.  Normally planes while driving their electric cars up to the airports.  Give me a break - heard it - seen it - and don't believe it for a minute.  Yet, when they come to the farm, they can not believe I could be happy here.  I use the plane for funeral's and weddings, when necessary.   And to fly my son and his wife home this 4th.



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But I am not going to get into the semantics...cripes...it would be a book.  If you had an electric car, it would still have to run on paved roads. Do you think that we could build paved roads to run it on if we had to have electric  caterpillars, and tractors and excavating equipment, and dump trucks that could haul even 10 yards of dirt for construction.  Yeah and if pigs had wings, they'd fly, too.

 Where are we going to get the energy to create the electricity that the car will run on?  Coal (no, wait that is a fossil fuel)? Maybe water, since hydro-electric power does not create the magnitude of pollution that gasoline does.  But what about the drought years, since even without global warming or climate change there is a history of natural changes in temperatures. If there is no water floating down the river to the dam to create the electricity...we gotta problem.... and then we have the good, wet, years, and lotsa hydroelectric juice, and all the people driving the electric cars multiply; need more dams to create more juice...how we gonna build em...an electric excavator and concrete truck (see earlier paragraph)? 

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 The world today, not just here, but everywhere, is bound and connected to fossil fuels...there is not no way, not no how, that wind turbines and electric cars are gonna do what needs to be done to fulfill the energy needs of the world. The closest thing to cheap, clean, (so to speak) fuel is nukular, but look what happened to Japan, not to mention Chernobyl, and Three Mile.  If the US is forced into that mode as it appears we are heading if the President has his way...we will not be able to keep pace with anyone...much less lead.  Other countries  around the world will go pedal to the metal to grab it (oil, coal, etc) all up. The next thing after that is that we will become even less than a third world country, and after that...

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 Randy, you just proved my point. Current commercial application of alternative energy is not where it is economically or practically feasible for all of God's little homo sapiens. Even though practical applications of solar, wind, hydro, tidal, etc energy sources are being studied/developed at a greater rate than in the past, something needs to drive these applications to the fore front instead of taking a back seat of fossil fuel exploration. It's never going to be in demand as long as you and I are willing to pay the increasing price of oil.

I do not believe there is one single golden source of alternative energy at this point. There are minuses to all of them. Current solar power can not be stored, hydro destroys wildlife habitat, tidal may disrupt spawning cycles, wind is an eyesore, nuclear power has waste products to deal with, etc. A combination of all of the above should be the answer for the time being. Solar is being studied like crazy, photovoltaics are becoming cheaper for the consumer, are producing more power than the older cells, and have many more applications.

I do practice what I preach. Obviously I can not live 100% without oil, society does not allow me to do so just yet. There is nothing stopping us all from making strides towards using less resources besides our own laziness. All of us can do something whether it is big or small. I refuse to purchase any sort of drink that comes in a plastic bottle, I carry with me at all times a stainless steel mug to purchase coffee, drink tap water, or buy fountain soda. I ride public transportation or ride my bicycle (not everywhere obviously, but when I can I do), I buy local food and products, shop at the farmers market (I don't need all of my food to be trucked/shipped from mexico). All are small investments. You can ramp it up too, use recycled denim to insulate your home, use natural fibers instead of synthetic fibers for your carpet (or even sustainable harvested wood), install a solar water heater.

The more consumers demand oil alternative products, the more R&D will be done on alternative applications.



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Fossil fuels renew themselves.  They will never go away. 


 

Yeah, it only took about 145,000,000 years for those Jurassic funa and flora to turn into the oil we use today.  Give or take a few tens of millions of years.  So we'll get a new batch in what, maybe another 100,000,000?  Give or take?


 Nice. Maybe the oil extracted from me in 100 million years will be of higher octane than that of the dilophosaurus.



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Hope this link helps about "peak oil"

http://www.radford.edu/wkovarik/oil/ 

I would also add this recently read comment.........My comment: Think of a street full of Irish pubs where the price keeps going up because the proprieters claim to be running out of beer. You can see for yourself, they say, the shelf is almost empty. The Ministry for Pubs says its worried and gives the pubs a depletion allowance and other tax breaks. Invasions of other nations with beer making capability are seen as necessary, but politicians promise they will eventually ease our dependence on beer and promote cola drinks just as soon as the beer runs out. What you don't know is that there is a huge stockpile of beer barrels in the warehouse across town.)



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My understanding is that Peak Oil is not deplenished oil.  It's merely running at peak extraction.



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