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Sigma · Veteran Member

RE: The President Obama

Steve Powell · Guru

We're in Arizona. I can tell you the farmers on the boarder don't have enough weapons. The stories about the drug runners are horrifying. Beheadings and everything.

The whole issue about the passing of the new law has been blown out of proportion. They aren't stopping Mexicans randomly. It's like the seatbelt law. There HAS to be suspicous activity. Headlight out, speeding, etc.

Been fun talking to the locals about it though. They are saying there is a definite need for much better boarder security.

Most are proponents of finding a way to ease them into the system so they pay taxes. Most are good people just trying to find a better life than what is currently offered in Mexico. Stories of dads sneaking over and working enough to put their kids through college. Pretty amazing actually.

rwaitman · Senior Member

Sigma wrote:

vko wrote:

I would also like to address Arizona, Texas, California border's. There is no way I can legally go to Mexico, Jamacia, Canada without Passport, ID's, etc. I would be locked up in a heartbeat. Common now, our border's, and how we protect the United State's is a something else. From Clinton, Bush, to Obama. Only the broke State, California is running the country. And our Leader's are impressed with Famous People and sure don't want to step on their feet. Get over it already. In 40 minute's, I could drive to the Canadian Border. Get accross, and no one would be the wiser. Do I want to, NO. Would I do that? NO But I follow the Law to the letter. Think about it. The money is here and the oil is now here. Am I scared, Nope. My family is raised, and I am a dang good shot with my guns. I would rather not ever use them.

I don't think I understand, vko. AUnitedState polices its southern boarder? I don’t know if I quite follow your point. You’re saying that you don’t worry about the lack of boarder security because you have plenty of guns and that makes you feel safe? I’m not even sure how or what to respond to this post.

Try.....it will make for some good discussion. I know vko covered a lot of ground in that one paragraph....but she looks to be trying to open some subjects for debate.

;o)
R

Sigma · Veteran Member

vko wrote:

I would also like to address Arizona, Texas, California border's. There is no way I can legally go to Mexico, Jamacia, Canada without Passport, ID's, etc. I would be locked up in a heartbeat. Common now, our border's, and how we protect the United State's is a something else. From Clinton, Bush, to Obama. Only the broke State, California is running the country. And our Leader's are impressed with Famous People and sure don't want to step on their feet. Get over it already. In 40 minute's, I could drive to the Canadian Border. Get accross, and no one would be the wiser. Do I want to, NO. Would I do that? NO But I follow the Law to the letter. Think about it. The money is here and the oil is now here. Am I scared, Nope. My family is raised, and I am a dang good shot with my guns. I would rather not ever use them.

I don't think I understand, vko. I don’t know if I quite follow your point. You’re saying that you don’t worry about the lack of boarder security because you have plenty of guns and that makes you feel safe? I’m not even sure how or what to respond to this post.

-- Edited by Sigma on Monday 3rd of May 2010 07:37:10 AM

vko · Senior Member

I would also like to address Arizona, Texas, California border's. There is no way I can legally go to Mexico, Jamacia, Canada without Passport, ID's, etc. I would be locked up in a heartbeat. Common now, our border's, and how we protect the United State's is a something else. From Clinton, Bush, to Obama. Only the broke State, California is running the country. And our Leader's are impressed with Famous People and sure don't want to step on their feet. Get over it already. In 40 minute's, I could drive to the Canadian Border. Get accross, and no one would be the wiser. Do I want to, NO. Would I do that? NO But I follow the Law to the letter. Think about it. The money is here and the oil is now here. Am I scared, Nope. My family is raised, and I am a dang good shot with my guns. I would rather not ever use them.

vko · Senior Member

Jib I do agree. There is alway's accident's in drilling. This one breaks my heart. You can not contain a bad accident on land, I just think the Oceans should be off limits. But that is just me. Now back to my 1 1/2 " Lead base book. This has been fun reading. Being Ignorant is not acceptable. Sigma, no need to apologize (sp) to me. I know I am irritating. biggrin

-- Edited by vko on Saturday 1st of May 2010 06:01:15 PM

-- Edited by vko on Saturday 1st of May 2010 07:03:38 PM

Jibslider · Senior Member

The only thing I've been disappointed with Obama, is his stance on allowing more off shore drilling for natural resources. Unfortunately, I'm sure the recent events in the Gulf will only be a minor reminder of why off shore exploration is not a great idea.

Sigma · Veteran Member

There I go, jumping the gun again. Randy, you make a point about the left leaning media. I’m not so much a liberal or left leaning, in fact if I’m forced to pidgeonhole myself I’d say I am a more of a “South Park" Republican than Democrat. What I don’t like is bias, and my distain for bias sometimes makes me see it when it isn’t there. I suspect that my initial reaction to the “buyers remorse” comment was a bit over the top, and for that I apologize to vko. Sometimes I post before I think critically, which is a trait I dislike in others yet sometimes see in myself.

I’ll take a break now and let others respond to the topic at hand.

rwaitman · Senior Member

Sigma wrote:

You’re right, you did not do any “bashing." But there’s a distinct difference between asking “What are everyones thoughts on how President Obama is doing in office?” or "I can't say I'm pleased with what the President is doing, especially on the issues of (insert issues here)" and asking about “Buyers remorse." The former is a neutral invitation to discussion. The letter puts a negative spin on the discussion right away.

As for me, what can I say...I don't like the Health Care reform. He's not the best domestic president we've ever had, but I do like his international relation policies. Especially regarding nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. But buyers remorse? That's a bit much...

...unless you're this guy.

-- Edited by Sigma on Friday 30th of April 2010 08:54:00 AM

Oh this is good....actually, I kinda like "buyers remorse"; it sort of is the country bumpkin's (generally right leaning) attempt at wording the opening statements of discussion of issues in the same sense as that coming from the left referencing "tea baggers", for example. We know that the left leaning media or talk show hosts will regularly use that term which creates, using the same logic, a predetermined bias for opening a supposedly neutral conversation. Same difference.

..but there are a lot of points you make. I am hoping some of the others will post a follow-up....left or right....it's all copacetic.

;o)
R

Sigma · Veteran Member

You’re right, you did not do any “bashing." But there’s a distinct difference between asking “What are everyones thoughts on how President Obama is doing in office?” or "I can't say I'm pleased with what the President is doing, especially on the issues of (insert issues here)" and asking about “Buyers remorse." The former is a neutral invitation to discussion. The letter puts a negative spin on the discussion right away.

As for me, what can I say...I don't like the Health Care reform. He's not the best domestic president we've ever had, but I do like his international relation policies. Especially regarding nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. But buyers remorse? That's a bit much...

...unless you're this guy.

-- Edited by Sigma on Friday 30th of April 2010 08:54:00 AM

vko · Senior Member

Now I did not bash the President. But with all the change in Health Care and restrictions on business's, he is going to put a limit on how many people, a business can hire. This hurts the country with so many people out of work. He seems to be defeating everything he puts in place. But if someone else would like to bash, I sure won't get in the way. smile

rwaitman · Senior Member

Sigma wrote:

Is this an invitation to a debate of some sort, or just a good round of Obama bashing? I suspect it’s the latter, and if so, I’m a bit disappointed. Discussing the President is one thing, but complaining about the President is something different.

Good Lord....and Baby Jesus....please see it as an invitation...we could use some other diversion from the local politics...

;o)
R

I suspicion you will bring some good stuff....and that is what this page is supposed to be about....the good stuff...

Sigma · Veteran Member

Is this an invitation to a debate of some sort, or just a good round of Obama bashing? I suspect it’s the latter, and if so, I’m a bit disappointed. Discussing the President is one thing, but complaining about the President is something different.

Jibslider · Senior Member

vko wrote:

Any one on this. Buyer's remorse? There were better people you know, on the Democrate side. And we were sold down the road. And here we are.

Huh?

vko · Senior Member

Any one on this. Buyer's remorse? There were better people you know, on the Democrate side. And we were sold down the road. And here we are.