That kid was hilarious. You suppose they set him up to to that?
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Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. – Philippians 2:3-4
A REAL tree?? Oh come on SKM!!! LOL just kidding. I remember in Boy scouts we sold trees, nothing like coming home that night covered in sap and smelling like pine. Ah the memories.
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Ahhhhh its beginning to look alot like CHRISTmas around my house. No tree yet but stockings are hung the wreath is hung and little beautiful toy trees here and there. No eggnog tho. Icka poo. Not enough alcohol in the world to make that crap taste good. And we wait until the last week to get our tree. Nothing like a live tree and that pine smell. And please if you have a problem with me buying a real tree...tough. They replant the trees and it gives money to charity or to the economy! Merry Christmas to ALL!!! God Bless You and Keep You!
Good point Steve, make room for the other religions, not just one. I'm all for that, wouldn't bother me one bit. As for the egg nog.... I don't think Ive ever tried it with alcohol, now Tom and Jerrys, that's a different story!!!
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I would think from a business standpoint that taking a complete market off of the shelves would hurt sales. Christian people buy Christian stuff. Jewish people buy Jewish stuff...etc.
I agree, Lonewolf, that everyone has a reason to celebrate this season. What get's me is when civil liberties groups step in and try to take away from any particular group. I always thought civil liberties groups fought for peoples freedoms. Yet when I hear that a nativity scene was removed from some location because of a potential lawsuit I can't help but struggle to find where the fight for freedom is in those cases. In my mind, those people should be looking to other groups to step up and pitch in. In other words, rather than take the nativity scene away, make space for whatever other groups would like to add. In fact, I think they call that promotion and recognition...no?
Make sure you take er easy on the egg nog when it get's closer to 25th. Those reindeer won't stop for the inebriated. Just ask gramma.
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I guess it doesn't really bother me. When they say season greetings to you, they are just doing what they are told to say. I say merry Christmas back to them. I guess it offends some people. I read somewhere that some groups even want the stores to stop selling nativity scenes. Now that kinda bothers me, if they don't like it, don't look at it or don't come into the Christmas or Holiday section. I'm not offended if a store sells a menorah or something like that. I dont boycot the store or start a protest. And about the atheists that want winter soloist to be a holiday for them, let them have it, who are they hurting? I know an atheist that celebrates Christmas as a time of giving, sure he doesn't believe in Christ, but he still has a kind heart he is not hurting anyone. He still gives to the salvation Army. And where are the ringers at this year? I haven't heard hardly any bells. i went into wallyworld yesterday and Santa was sitting there just about begging everyone that walks by to sit on his lap. I walked by and he asked me to have a pic taken with him, I should have just for fun. I just asked him for one thing this year, for that list. He asked me what list, I told him I wanted his naughty girls list. I thought he was going to fall off his bench laughing. Well everyone, hope you have a Merry Christmas, a wonderful Holiday, or whatever you want to believe. as for me, Im going to hang more lights today, have some eggnog and watch A Christmas Story.
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Dang Jibslider I am Norwegian...I Can't stand the smell of Lutefisk.. lol . My Husband is Greek ... my son is confused. Thanks Have a happy holidays.. and a Merry Christmas .. May your wishes come true and your stockings be full.... I do have to confess I have to Wal Mart and get my Dogs their stockings.
From what I understand those Taiwanese are pretty short.
Good points, Jib. Flat out telling someone they are wrong in what they believe/or don't believe in is probably the biggest turn off and anti-witnessing (if that's a proper term ) thing a person can do.
I'm not as politically correct when it comes to religion though. My understanding of The Word is that it teaches Christians to be a witness. Meaning, go tell everyone you know the good news about Christ. If I'm taught to be a witness then I HAVE to care about what/who other people pray to if at all. But there are other ways to do this other than guilting people and going door to door.
Excellent comments you guys! Like I said, controversial topic, glad there are those here that can stomach it.
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I vote Jibslider to start the topic of "Is there a God".. Do we get to vote
Sorry, I actually don't care who or what people choose to worship/have faith in... if anything at all. It is their right to worship what they please, and I'm not an evangelist or a missionary, so I am not about to push my beliefs onto them. I'm not going to tell you to stop praying in school, and I'm not going to tell you to start praying in school. It's your right to believe in whatever you want to, and to practice in your own individual way.
I know who I choose to worship, and that is all that is important to me. When I'm in Thailand I don't look down upon Buddists, and when I'm on Main Street in Williston I don't look down upon Lutherans (even though I may grumble about the smell of lutefisk).
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Ugh... all I can say right now, Vko, is keep up the good fight!! Throw away the signs and keep going. This topic gets me soo irate that I could write pages and pages. And if it happens again, you call the cops!! Report it has property damage and a hate crime!!!! The laws that the so called lawmakers enforce had better inclued ALL OF US! The ACLU better be on our side too or else they are nothing but what I believe they are...phoney pieces of crap that twist and distort the the law for their own benefit!
In all , when a Christmas manger is put up and someone else puts a sign next to it say there really is no God - There is no Christ - There is no Heaven or Hell.. That is just wrong.. I then think you are stepping on my rights - my religion and you are not accepting of my beliefs. Or you trash it when it's on my property. or steal it. No Wonder we are no longer tolerant of each other. And if you do not take children to Sunday School until confirmation - are you not putting you unsureness in their minds - are you not taking the CHOICE of them learning and then choosing after confirmation - That they believe or That it's just Bunk. I thought this country was about choice. Heaven or Hell..not alway's sure.. but a work in progress.
I say why stop at the distortion of Christmas? Look at all of our other holidays that are out of touch with it's roots.
Why should we be spending our income on eggs and ink just to paint them and hide them in the bushes. Why does Hershey's get to make a profit on chocolate bunnies? What happened to Easter, and how did God get associated with a rabbit? Are we not taking Christ out of Easter?
What about Presidents Day? Why do ski resorts everywhere get to make more money these days? Why are we not spending the day celebrating log homes and cherry trees? How did our presidents get associated with skiing?
What happened to Independence Day? We've totally taken the "independence" out of Independence Day... 4th of July? Blasphemy! Why in the world are we giving all of our income to companies that manufacture fireworks in China, argueably the country with the most human rights violations! How's that for freedom/independence? How did the signing of the Declaration of Independence get associated with hot dogs and hamburgers? Isn't Oscar Meyer exploiting our holiday?
Point is, holiday's are for you to decide how to spend them, and what to think about on those days, not to tell your neighbor how to spend them.
I hope you can see the blatent sarcasm in this post as well
-- Edited by Jibslider at 11:14, 2008-12-01
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Thanks all - Just stirring the pot - Christmas is truly a Special Day. It has a good feel about it. Maybe that is why people of many religious beliefs want to share it or take it away from you and your family.
Not taking away....just sharing :) Merry Christmas to you and Happy Holidays to everyone else :)
Thanks all - Just stirring the pot - Christmas is truly a Special Day. It has a good feel about it. Maybe that is why people of many religious beliefs want to share it or take it away from you and your family.
Promotions promations... and in one city the greeter got killed by a stampeed..shoppers just step over him. It was a Wal Mart. Every day could be a family time. Get together. You do not have to be any religious faith for that. But Christmas is just that. Not a Happy Tree or not just Season Greetings etc. Christmas is a celebration of Christ's Birth. If you do not believe then don't spend your money on Trees Decorations and presents for the Children. It should just be another day to you and your family - just a get together. Let it continue to be a Christian Day. That's all.
Sorry, I worded that wrong. My family celebrates Christmas for all the right reasons. My family are christians. I was raised a Christian (although they never took me to church...maybe thats the problem??). For me....I look at it as a special day that my family gets together and celebrate being a family. I love christmas decorations. I love giving gifts. Its a happy time for me :)
No No No.....we're not starting a thread on is there a god....LOL Don't get me started. And I never said I didn't believe....i said I didn't know.
Vko, could not agree with you more. This whole "Happy Holiday" crap has gotten out of control. What exact Holiday are those that Don't believe celebrating? What do ignorant fools want printed on the money... in the Big Bang theory we trust?, or in Allah we trust? Its not about Christ anymore, its about the all mighty dollar. And what does the Bible say the root of all evil is?.... First one to get it gets a kudos from me!
Nice VKO. I love this topic. Very controversial. Had an interesting conversation about this with a 7th Day Adventist in Dickinson when I lived there. Some would say what you and I know as Christmas is actually a pagan holiday started someplace like Germany. They believe Christ was born sometime closer to the middle of the year. Very interesting take on all holidays, not just Christmas.
I agree completely with the fact that we have gone WAY overboard on the commercialization of this season. But as Christians it shouldn't really bother us as long as we are spreading the true meaning and making sure our children understand the reason for the season. The hardest part is keeping our children from coveting everything they see on tv and in the JC Penney Christmas catalogue...or is it the holiday catalogue now?
Now, who's going to start the "Is there a God" thread so we can discuss that with MO2?
Thanks VKO!
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Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. – Philippians 2:3-4
Promotions promations... and in one city the greeter got killed by a stampeed..shoppers just step over him. It was a Wal Mart. Every day could be a family time. Get together. You do not have to be any religious faith for that. But Christmas is just that. Not a Happy Tree or not just Season Greetings etc. Christmas is a celebration of Christ's Birth. If you do not believe then don't spend your money on Trees Decorations and presents for the Children. It should just be another day to you and your family - just a get together. Let it continue to be a Christian Day. That's all.
I get so angry when people try to change our traditional Holiday's. I will not shop at stores that are trying to be Politically Correct. If you do not believe in Christ then by all means - it should be just another day to you. And let people who believe in Christ have their day. Same as I respect other peoples religions. Even Thanksgiving has become a circus for Cities and Schools - What do you all do to handle this - when it should not ever had been an issue. Just curious.
Hmm...I guess I didn't notice that some stores were taking Christ out of Christmas. I do however see the schools doing it. I'm not actually sure how I feel about it. I, myself, am not sure if I believe in Christ or not. I can't say I do and I can't say I don't. We do celebrate Christmas, but more so of a "familly day". Its time we spend together. Its a day we celebrate being a family and love one another.
I understand the schools not talking about it though. There are people of differant religions in school, and if they don't celebrate all religions, they shouldn't celebrate Christmas. I don't see the stores doing it though. They usually have a little bit of everything. So I thought. Could you give an example ?
I get so angry when people try to change our traditional Holiday's. I will not shop at stores that are trying to be Politically Correct. If you do not believe in Christ then by all means - it should be just another day to you. And let people who believe in Christ have their day. Same as I respect other peoples religions. Even Thanksgiving has become a circus for Cities and Schools - What do you all do to handle this - when it should not ever had been an issue. Just curious.
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