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Jimmylikesvikes · Veteran Member

RE: Who are you going to vote for?

Steve Powell · Guru

Palin not qualified to lead the country? Here's some interesting facts I've drug up.

Question: What is America ’s first line of missile
interceptor defense that protects the entire United States ?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.

Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on
permanent active duty?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard

Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile
Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
Answer: Alaska Governor Sarah Palin

Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on
highly classified military issues, homeland security, and
counter terrorism?
Answer: Alaska Governor Sarah Palin

Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified
security rating than either President Elect Obama or Vice-Pres Elect Biden?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

Interesting to say the least..eh? Oh well, perhaps they'll focus more on her political background next time rather than her being a soccer mom of 5 kids..blah blah.

Mommyof2 · Senior Member

SKM wrote:

I love Steve's optomistic out look on this, but I for one think this is going to be worse than the Carter Administration. America has just voted in a man who will not salute our flag, who has admitted to attending flag burning ceremonies, EVERYTHING our mighty men and women have fought so hard for. Its a slap in the face! Ugh! You voted for Change, well change will come and swiftly. VKO, pack your bags...we're headed for the hills! Oh and while Vko and I are hibernating, someone please shut that Larry Larson up!

-- Edited by SKM at 23:12, 2008-11-06

I'll say he same thing here that I've posted many many times on myspace. Check your facts before you post stuff. Just because you've "read" that Obama will not salute the flag, does not make it true. And its not.

snopes.com

check it out..please...this rumor is stupid and needs to stop.

vko · Senior Member

I would never flee from anything.. Hope Ohio is what your looking for. Best Wishes.

SKM · Senior Member

LMAO biggrin Have a safe and happy trip, Jib smile

Jibslider · Senior Member

No worries, Mr. Larsen and I will not stop anyone from packing their bags and "fleeing" our nation.

After my 2nd day in Williston today... glad I am off to Ohio tomorrow. smile

SKM · Senior Member

I love Steve's optomistic out look on this, but I for one think this is going to be worse than the Carter Administration. America has just voted in a man who will not salute our flag, who has admitted to attending flag burning ceremonies, EVERYTHING our mighty men and women have fought so hard for. Its a slap in the face! Ugh! You voted for Change, well change will come and swiftly. VKO, pack your bags...we're headed for the hills! Oh and while Vko and I are hibernating, someone please shut that Larry Larson up! biggrin

-- Edited by SKM at 23:12, 2008-11-06

Lonewolf · Senior Member

Bart: Are we awake?
Jim: We're not sure. Are we... black?
Bart: Yes, we are.
Jim: Then we're awake... but we're very puzzled.

gundo · Senior Member

to many lines from blazing saddles keep popping in my head.

vko · Senior Member

Just read the Williston Herald online. L. Larson said now we all have to get behind the New President. Just too bad he and others did not feel the same about President Bush... Even my sister's say Finally a President with a Brain..Be Careful what you wish for "You just might get it".

Steve Powell · Guru

Honestly, Jeremy, it's not a republican issue. In fact, yesterdays events are probably the best thing that could have happened for us conservatives. I can't help but remember the last president that leaned as far to the left as Obama. I believe his name was Carter. smile

In fact, if I recall, Carter didn't even lean this far left. Remember those days? Inflation? Remember, hostages? ie..terrorism? I certainly pray history won't repeat itself.

Even Clinton wasn't as left leaning as Obama. Clinton was for getting rid of some of the "hand out" programs. Obama is for tax refunds for those that don't even pay taxes.

So now the true conservatives...not the Bush's or McCain's...are going to figure out that you can't make the attempt to appease to everyone because you end up alienating most. Thus, yesterday's blessings in disguise.

To answer your question, Jeremy, yesterday pretty much confirmed my sentiments on the state of our country. People today (especially the younger ones) are too quick to follow what they think is the majority without doing the homework themselves. Example, the House was represented by a majority of Democrats. The House's approval rating was even lower than that of President Bush's. So why then, would the trend lead to putting even more of the majority that was failing in the first place into power? Because all of the blame for what's wrong with this country has been put on the President (I personally believe to be a media agenda) and people are never reminded that it takes all parties involved to get things done including the House that was viewed in worse terms than the president.

It's my belief that each individual human is responsible for their own actions thus anyone who has gone broke because they tried to live beyond their own means should have had to lay in the bed they made. In regards to the bailout, it took all parties involved to get it passed so whichever the majority was that passed this bill, they are the ones to blame for enabling our society to continue to be spoiled by our government. And as long as the government will continue to give these "free passes" to those who don't deserve them, this trend will continue and no one learns any lessons.

Finally, these countries you speak of are probably chomping at the bit waiting for us to leave and open up new territories for their training grounds. So the way we are viewed by other countries will most certainly change. biggrin

vko · Senior Member

I think I will hibernate for the next four years. yawn

Honey Bucket · Member

Well, America voted for change and thats exactly what well get..........all i have to say is may God be with us!

gundo · Senior Member

Let the impeachment attempts begin...... just kiddin, and yes i got up @ and was at the poll lines here in colo by 6:30 am so i could make my vote.

either way, whomever would have won, we are in for one hell of bumpy ride.

Jeremy, your statement is most likely very true with wuite a few countries, others such as Isreal, not so much.

subprime loans only happened in cali? wow i wonder what all those other people in Texas, colo, Ariz, and Ill signed up for just to note a few other states. And that is why the sheriff in Chicago(cook county) wuit serving eviction notices around OCT 8. bu resumed Oct 16th after a deal was worked out.

Chicago sheriff stops evictions

BANKERS IN Chicago are angry with--of all people--Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart.

Dart announced October 8 that his office would no longer forcibly remove residents from foreclosed properties, essentially imposing a moratorium on any mortgage-related evictions in the third-largest city in the U.S. and a surrounding county, with a total population of 5.3 million people.

Foreclosures are expected to reach a record high of 43,000 in Cook County this year, and the sheriff's department was expected to conduct 4,500 foreclosure-related evictions. Two thousand people are evicted from their homes every month in Cook County--as many as 500 as a result of a foreclosure.

http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/10/chicago-sheriff-stops-eviction

-- Edited by gundo at 08:51, 2008-11-05

Willistonrecguy · Veteran Member

For all of you republicans out there... What do you think had a greater part of the of the republicans getting there buts kicked (Pres/House/Senate). The citizens tiired of George Bush or the finiacial down turn on wall street.

On another note reguardless of who I wanted to win the election, I really felt a sense of hope from the people last night after the president was announced. I really like a comment I heard and I hope it rallies some people. An African American said when he heard African American kids say that they want to be a teacher/astronaut/scientist/professional athlete/doctor/lawyer he would tell them to do it and dream big, but if they said they wanted to be the President he would always pause because he did not believe it was possible. Now he knows it is possible.

One final note I did not consider but after the election last night it was made very clear to me. The election of Obama will very much help the way the US is viewed by other countries.

IF YOU VOTED YOU ROCK AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BITCH ALL YOU WANT. IF YOU DID NOT VOTE KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

rwaitman · Senior Member

In the words of my late, great, sainted Father....'it's all over but the buryin'..'

;o(

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SKM · Senior Member

Dang it, I forgot one more question, I recognized Obama, Nader and McCain on the ballot but, who were the other two? I was like, what the heck... confused

P.s. So sorry Jeremy but they didnt even put Ron Paul on the ballot. I'm sure he got a few write in tho! smile

SKM · Senior Member

Why do we only have 3 electorial votes? And How do we get more. And how the heck did OHIO get so damn many. What exactly comes out of Ohio? That has to be one hell of rich state with two football teams and pro baseball. Ugh, this whole Ohio business gives me a headache! Oh, and one more thing... I asked 10 people today what exactly mesures 1 and 2 were and nobody knew! Can you guess how I voted on them. They need to start putting these mesures in layman terms. smile

PAR · Member

I've never said that I'm against helping out the citizens of ND. What upsets me is when people say they want their tax dollar to go here and not there when the reality is ND gets more than its fair share--face it, socialism is already here and we don't recognize it. As a citizen and taxpayer I'm proud that I can help out my old hometown.

There may be some truth that you deserve this aid given the harsh environment, however as Americans we are free to choose where we live.

I'm proud of the fact the ND produces the best malting barley in the world and durham for pasta products and has vast stores of lignite. There are many great things about ND (and Williston)! Like anything, we can strive to make it even better.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding about my comment on isolationism. It has nothing to do with my thoughts about illegal immigrants. I think everyone here would agree current policy does not work. Illegals of all flavors are rounded up and deported from the Twin Cities on a regular basis. I think the economics are complicated (how many of the experts saw the current disaster coming?) but the problem needs to be addressed rationally not with emotion. I haven't studied the problem as you have--I couldn't even begin to propose a solution. I'm still gathering the facts.

I agree until such time change is effected current statutes on illegals need to be followed but that doesn't preclude me from acting as a Christian and doing right when called upon.

Steve Powell · Guru

Since I posted I have heard some good points about where North Dakota sits in the Union.
Number one, there isn't a single state in the union that DOESN'T get back more than what they put in. So no one can single us out on that point.

Which brings me to number two, North Dakota deserves every dollar it gets from the Feds because A. We are the number one supplier to the rest of the country of 12 crops. We export far more than we actually use. So oil isn't our only claim to fame. And B. We export far more oil and natural gas than we use locally.

So, sure we get plenty of help from the Feds, but perhaps we have earned this?

When did the definition of isolationism become something down the lines of...one who expects illegal immagrants to abide by the same rules I have to follow?

I'll give a fact..this is not emtion..but fact. It comes from http://www.usillegalaliens.com/immigration_facts_figures_and_addendum.html

THIRD WORLD IMMIGRATION'S EFFECT ON THE USA LABOR MARKET

An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year. ⁽⁸³⁾
It is estimated that between 40 and 50% of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. ⁽⁸⁴⁾

Organ donation in regards to illegal immigrants is a very controversial topic. In fact, right now, in some states, as long as an illegal admits to the fact that they did come into this country illegally, they have a very good chance of receiving full coverage. How in the heck? Wha? Bottom line...illegal immigration is costing US Citizens WAY MORE than we really know. What's funny about this...it's only just beginning to hit North Dakota.

dakotadj · Veteran Member

Par.... the people of north dakota are CITIZENS. who have EARNED the right to get the subsidies you speak off.. You have no clue what illegal immigration does to impact the social and economic structure of the "southern part of america" amoung other places.. It will trickle more into the land of 10,000 lakes before you can chip another ice hole.... It IS A PROBLEM Par, we have laws. follow them. sign the documents and i'll welcome you with open arms.. Sneak into my country take the jobs which allow the companies to surpress wages for americans and i'll rant an rave to defend the rights of american citizens and workers.. We are not the salvation for the econmoic depressed of this world. look around america if you want to fix poverty and degregation of living conditions. I was born and raised in North Dakota, reside in callifornia so I now pay for what you will one day pay for if we don't fix this illegal immigration issue. . OH YEAH, Obama said on national TV when asked about his illegal immigrant aunt. "We have laws, they must be abided by".. LETS SEE HOW far he takes that quote tomorrow.. !!!

PAR · Member

I'm proud of the fact that I'm from ND and that my roots go to the origin of Williston. My intent is not to make anyone feel bad about ND, but we need to face the facts--oil income comes and goes, the market may drive the price to a point where it is no longer economic to recover Bakken reserves. A billion dollars doesn't go very far (certainly better to have a surplus than a deficit). Perhaps I'm wrong but I detect a sense of isolationism hence my point that it takes everyone's contribution to the pot to make things go.

I've worked in construction for a number of years and am quite familiar with the necessary documentation to complete an I-9 form. The unions help keep the playing field level so to speak--something you don't have to contend with there.

Interesting comment on organ donation, I'll check it out with some sources at the U. However the problem of illegal immigration needs to be dealt with in a responsible manner based upon fact not emotion.

trahrah · Member

I voted today!!!! Ya know, voting sure gives you a powerful feeling. Even after a 45 minute wait to vote, people still had a smile on their face and walked a little taller when they left! Nice to see......

Steve Powell · Guru

PAR, I understand the rules of the ER. I know the hospital can't legally turn any patient away in the case of an emergency. BUT, any hospital can determine which needy patient gets a transplant first. Let me ask you this question, how will you feel about illegal immigration if you find out an illegal immigrant received a life saving transplant before you or one of your loved ones? I can tell you now that you would appreciate the "red tape" much more if you were in a situation like that.
Next question, let's pretend that you own a construction company in a city that has slowed tremendously in new building sites and you find out people are hiring illegal immigrants to so what little construction there is to do because they work for far less money. Again, you'd be thankful for the "red tape".
I'm going to say this again, I have zero problems with those that go through the legal process, none, nada, zilch. But those that enter into MY country, your country, and the rest of those of us that are true American citizens, and expect the same legal rights and advantages, should be prosecuted and sent back to the other side of the wall that I wish we would build.

Last thing, I would beg to differ on your comment that we wouldn't have much. Have you not been made aware as to what is going on in this state? We are sitting ona a 1 billion dollar surplus. I don't believe too many states can boast about a booming economy like we can. And I'm quite certain that the taxpayers in North Dakota are giving their fair share. Your comments make you sound like typical non-North Dakota people who tend to look down their noses at our state and act like we don't deserve what we have. Or have you forgotten since you moved away that this kind of stuff happens?

-- Edited by Steve Powell at 09:31, 2008-11-04

PAR · Member

gundo wrote:

so it's a democratic congress that burst the housing bubble, puttin fanny mae and freddy mac in need of the bail out?

Do you really believe that the cause of the financial panic was illegal immigrants in California taking out sub-prime mortgages?

I'm completely bewildered by what I read here and I'm not a school teacher. I haven't researched the hard facts but I would be willing to bet North Dakota recieves more Federal tax dollars than what is paid in by its citizens. Most people don't know about those CRP, ethanol and crop subsidy goodies. Then there are the funds for Essential Air Service, Amtrak, your new water treatment plant, a decent road to drive to Minot and a plethora of other gifts to numerous to write. I wouldn't bitch about taxes because you sure as hell wouldn't have much if it weren't for the rest of us giving souls of OUR country.

I know there is a labor shortage in Williston and in other areas of the country--many jobs go unfilled that some feel are undesireable. Neither presidential candidate has adequately expressed an immigration policy. However I challenge those of you most adamantly opposed to migrant workers to check out the red tape (to say the least) to bring workers into the country to work legally--it is for all practical purposes impossible. Do you really think bricks and mortar are going to solve this problem? Do you really believe that ER triage rules are based on whether or not you are an illegal or bona fide citizen? You're not going to render aid to someone in an accident because they are Mexican and hence illegal aliens?

These are not the North Dakotan's or citizens of Williston I grew up with.

gundo · Senior Member

so it's a democratic congress that burst the housing bubble, puttin fanny mae and freddy mac in need of the bail out?

SKM · Senior Member

LMAO!!! TY Gundo!!!! Love it!!

SKM · Senior Member

Bless her heart indeed!!! That has to be the toughest job on earth! Because, children love their parents no matter what. I believe we're all hard wired that way. And the Fostercare system does need a huge make over! Thank the Lord your soon to be daughter-in-law is brave enough to help. God Bless your entire family hun!!! smile

vko · Senior Member

Thank you SKM and Jibslider from Portand before you say I don't know.. My son's fiance works for the State of Oregon. In Eugene she used to take babies from unfit parents.. Now she is taking the babies away from UNFIT foster homes. Bless her Heart. It is only the Special Type of People who can do this Work. And my Son had Better KNOW he is blessed with this Woman. Tell all to get out and vote. Bless you and your Household.

gundo · Senior Member

I found this on the net. thought the thread might enjoy?

SKM · Senior Member

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81brjpteDk VKO..think this says it for us!! Your gonna love it!!

SKM · Senior Member

Vko, your not alone in that thinking!! Why oh why should they get for free what we work so hard for? These days 150 thousand isnt alot of money considering what the dollar is worth. And if you make that or more a year...good job!! You deserve it for a job well done. But if Obama gets voted in so sorry but your going to give that hard earned money to the lady down the street who can't keep her legs shut. Harsh but true!!! ANd what about the lower than life, scum sucking men who help to make these children and dont help!!! The last thing this country needs is another excuse!!! Start holding personal responsibility!! YOU made the child, now raise him or her, YOU made the debt, now pay it, YOU bought the car, now pay for it, YOU bought the house, now pay for it!! I'm not willing to help those that don't help themselves!! This Nation has become a nation of laziness!!! I say if you want welfare then you work for it by helping cleaning up the parks or the roadside! I owe, what I owe!!! I don't excpect anyone to give me a free ride on anything!! Live with in your means...and stop tring to keep up with Jones's. Be happy for the Jones's. The Jones's let you use that swimming pool..and you don't have to clean it! BASK in their wealth....its soooo much more fun!! smile

vko · Senior Member

It seems to me in my small little mind that alot of people who would like to live off the system - may get their wish. More young girls getting pregnant over and over and over again, gets better hand outs.. Food Stamps - housing and whatever else.. I would help a person who needs help but why are we rewarding people who cannot figure out what causes babies - and the babies grow up doing the same same. Or young men and women who are drugging themselves who in turn cannot get a job. I hardly can afford my own health insurance much less health insurance for employees.. The day my husband will dump our business so we can fit into the system, might be a good one. No we would not allow ourselves to do that. But my retirement fund went South. Hope yours didn't. cry

Lonewolf · Senior Member

Do you think if I show up on crutches they will let me to the front of the line so I dont have to wait??

SKM · Senior Member

AN honest political figure... isnt that biggist oxymoron you ever heard!! This whole country is split down the middle.   Everyone of us has a Past!!, but I have never been involved in a flag burning ceremony unlike the Obama's.   Obama wants to change our national anthem to " I like to teach the world to sing"   Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!
* You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

* You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

* You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

* You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.

* You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.

* You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.

* You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could, and should, do for themselves.

those are word spoken by Lincoln!!!    Look them up if you dont believe me!!

Steve Powell · Guru

Good point. I wish that I could expect better...but your point is well taken.

Jibslider · Senior Member

Steve Powell wrote:
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What's funny about the current Democrats is how they've treated McCain. Prior to him running for pres. they praised him for how well he worked with both sides. These comments were made even during this last term with Bush as President. My how they have changed their tunes.

Would you expect any less during a presidential election year? I agree that it is unfortunate, as John McCain is an asset as a moderate senator.

Steve Powell · Guru

"I want a President, who I have faith in, who I respect, and who I trust"

Jeremy...WE AGREE!!!

"I do not think that way of Obama and I do not think that way of McCain"

Whoa...Jeremy....WE AGREE AGAIN!!!! For the most part anyways. I would really like to see the video that the LA Times is hiding. Some things have come out about Obama that really have me scared. Albeit, McCain gave tons of money to the same person in question regarding the video I spoke of before.

I will say, if I had to choose between the two the one that I have the most faith in, the most respect for, and the one I trust the most...it would still be McCain.

What's funny about the current Democrats is how they've treated McCain. Prior to him running for pres. they praised him for how well he worked with both sides. These comments were made even during this last term with Bush as President. My how they have changed their tunes.

Willistonrecguy · Veteran Member

Maybe I am a dreamer or an optimist, but I want a President, who I have faith in, who I respect, and who I trust. Oh yeah I also want them to be smarter then me. I want somebody larger then life. Somebody larger then life.

I thought that way of Reagan (Of coarse I ws 10 at the time). But I never thought that of GW. I do not think that way of Obama and I do not think that way of McCain.

To quote John Lennon
I know I am a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

dakotadj · Veteran Member

JIBS,
Illegal immigration cost 10 billion in the state of california. that is well documented. All aspects of illegal immigration!!. they take jobs that do not allow them to pay into the social system.. The companies who hire them are no better than the sweat shops in China... We have immigration laws to allow for [legal] migration into my country. Wait till it hits north dakota and you will wish you just had five illegals busing tables at El Nacho restraurant .. Friends, illegal immigration impacts all aspects of our economy !! and JOBS !!

I break a law I'm in the slammer !! what makes them above the law, I don't care how desperate their lives are, you are about to see a ton load of AMERICAN CITIZENS become desperate ... and YOU and I will pay for it !! can you spell "sub prime mortage bailout "

SKM · Senior Member

'Twas the night before elections

And all through the town

Tempers were flaring

Emotions all up and down!

I, in my bathrobe

With a cat in my lap

Had cut off the TV

Tired of political crap.

When all of a sudden

There arose such a noise

I peered out of my window

Saw Obama and his boys

They had come for my wallet

They wanted my pay

To give to the others

Who had not worked a day!

He snatched up my money

And quick as a wink

Jumped back on his bandwagon

As I gagged from the stink

He then rallied his henchmen

Who were pulling his cart

I could tell they were out

To tear my country apart!

' On Fannie, on Freddie,

On Biden and Ayers!

On Acorn, On Pelosi'

He screamed at the pairs!

They took off for his cause

And as he flew out of sight

I heard him laugh at the nation

Who wouldn't stand up and fight!

So I leave you to think

On this one final note-

IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM

GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!

SKM · Senior Member

Yaaaaaaaayyyyyyy Steve!!! Well stated!!! Even trying to compare Illegals to meth-heads is loony!! Dah!! Do you know how many illegals are just that...Meth heads! And HELL NO!!!, they should not get medical attention before a US citizen!! But it happens every damn day!! Why, its becuse they're on Wel-Fare!! How that is even possible is beyond me!! But they are!!! I am so sick and tired of paying for others mistakes when they do nothing!!! I want my tax dollars to go to my Vets, to my elderly whom really need it! AND NOW that Obama wants me to share my hard earned money to go to even more!!! What will be left for us!? We worked this hard and this long to share it with those who havent!!! NO WAY!!! What the hell is my son going to college for then? To give away his education!! Give me a logical reason!!! What the Hell are you Liberals thinking!!! What happened to taxation without representation? Cause my Tax dollars do not represent anything the liberals are pushing for... AM I ALONE HERE? Earn your own damn money!!

Steve Powell · Guru

touche'..insurance...i stand corrected and I agree. I'll re-phrase...what's ONE OF THE leading problems in healthcare? With exception to Mayo Clinic, I gaurantee a large portion of hospitals in the United States are short on help...probably all the way across the board...but especially in nursing. There will still be floodgates and we'll see many, many situations across the entire country (not just Williston, obviously) where young, healthy, illegal immigrants will be seen before a senior needing major surgery. Healthcare for all will mean a higher demand for doctors and nurses and we are already facing shortages on these resources which is a proven fact.

And...you'd be surprised at what you may find in Williston these days. They just deported a group of illegals not too long ago that were running an authentic Mexican restaurant. It shouldn't even get to the point where the employer has a chance to offer health insurance. If that person is illegal, that person doesn't have the right to take that job in this country.

Comparing an illegal citizen and a meth-head. Pretty much one in the same as far as I'm concerned. Both are living illegally. But we provide that care for the meth-head in hopes that person can return to independance and not commit the same crimes in the future. If we were to NOT provide that care for these people they would continue to cost again and again. Of course, that doesn't always work and the system fails. But I challenge anyone to come up with the perfect solution to that.

Much in the same, illegal citizens that are willing to go back to their origins and make an attempt at becoming legal...by all means...at least they did it the legal and moral way. But then again, what does this country know about morals anymore. It's ok for someone to come into the US illegally, live a normal life, not go to jail..blah blah blah. I rob a bank and go to jail. I commit some kind of fraud, felony, whatever and go to jail. Yet I am a true born LEGAL American and I get different treatment? What's the difference between their crime and mine (not that I actaully have committed one

)?
Dang..there I go on my soap box! Terribly sorry.

Jibslider · Senior Member

Steve Powell wrote:
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Number two...healthcare for all? OK...what's the leading problem in healthcare today? Would that be....shortage of Doctors and nurses? HOKAY THEN...now all of a sudden Joe Senior goes in for surgery but gets turned away because the illegal immagrant is first in line and there's only so many docs to go around.
...

Shortage of docors and nurses is the leading problem with health care today? That depends on where you live of course. If you live in Alamo, ND of course that is a big problem, but that is not the overall leading problem with health care in our country. The largest problem in health care is health insurance.

The cost of and access to health insurance is the biggest problem with the current set up. The cost of quality coverage in this country is terrible and the access to the quality plans for those that truely need the coverage is dispicable!
The other problem with the current system is the game medical providers have to play in order to bill each insurance carrier. Each carrier requires different testing to legally bill their company for service, and often some of the testing and or questioning required to pass an audit by the insurance company isn't related at all to the patient's complaints. Having to dance the insurance dance to the specified steps of each insurance company requires the hiring of a very skilled and trained billing staff... which of course costs the clinic a ton of money... which of course will be added onto your medical bill, further driving up the cost of health care in this country.

And are "illegal" immigrants really taking up all of the time of doctors in Williston, I doubt it. Besides, if that immigrant is working in this country and has chosen a job where the employer provides health insurance is that something really to get upset about? Shouldn't we focus our anger towards the meth heads who are not working, but are getting quality care because they are on welfare... actually using our tax money for health care instead of an employer based health plan?

-- Edited by Jibslider at 23:52, 2008-10-29

Steve Powell · Guru

Here's another one. Obama is pushing for people to start putting their money back in the stock market...k..understandably so. But...but...if you do well...I'm going to tax that money heavily anyways...? You'll prolly lose your money regardless. Wha? Huh? If he's going to nail me with taxes because my stock is doing great...what's the point?
Number two...healthcare for all? OK...what's the leading problem in healthcare today? Would that be....shortage of Doctors and nurses? HOKAY THEN...now all of a sudden Joe Senior goes in for surgery but gets turned away because the illegal immagrant is first in line and there's only so many docs to go around.

C'mon people...what's wrong with these scenario's? 1932 Hoover decided to take a bigger chunk of money away from those making $100000. Look where that got us.

Check yourselves when you get to that booth.

vko · Senior Member

I agree with you completely. I am competely scared without a stop gap between Presidents - Congress - and Senate... And What President started their Term watching the Twin Towers Burn to the Ground and the other Plane in Washington and the other took down by passengers.. Not one person would give Bush nothing... it was all about oh oh poor Whinning Gore. I just know where my guns are - and I don't hunt... but no one will take them from me. Oh and why isn't any one you scared about ESTATE tax coming back in. If you family had anything - 2010 you get to Share. If something happens to you - your Family gets to share. That is no joke. I was just went through this and got my eyes open. And one more thought if your family had land etc etc you have to pay Capitol Gains when that was bought and what it is worth now. So now it will be Capitol Gains and Estate Tax. Check it out.

-- Edited by vko at 21:21, 2008-10-29

vko · Senior Member

My computer has a problem - sorry trying to fix it. confused

-- Edited by vko at 21:08, 2008-10-29

Steve Powell · Guru

The change American wants? Here's an example...

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +

5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!...

BUT American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right.

In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;

2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;

3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION

DOLLARS and prices still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~

$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR

STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT

PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY

GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

vko · Senior Member

He lives in Eugene. Have to wait till April when he gets married. Mom's just like their kids home. Can't blame me for trying. biggrin

Jibslider · Senior Member

VKO, I'd rather have Daffy Duck any day instead of the last 8 years we've had of Elmer Fudd biggrin

Well, if you're son lives in Portland he's got 1/2 a seat available in my car with all my junk. smile