Hey Steve, what is the website to see where the fogging is being done? Do you guys do anything out by the muni? Was out golfing today, sprayed a few times with Off, but wasnt really that bothered by them. All in all, it was a pretty good round of golf.
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Thanks Steve. That's great information and it does make plenty of sense. Larvacide=kill the babies Adulticide=kill those flying bastages.
Keep up the studies and the hard work. I have all the confidence you guys will make your time working payoff.
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First off our appologies for Wednesday, Tuesday night the winds were too high for Vector Control to fog. The good news is that Fran is out fogging tonight. The mosquitoes are exceptionally bad tonight, I was outside for a good portion of the night working so I know first hand how bad they are. I was forced to wear my insulated coveralls, mosquito head net, and boots.
Secondly, we met with the Air Force today and they will almost certainly be here next year if we can come up with approximately $1 million dollars to treat the area 4 times. They even mentioned having to bring in two C-130's possibly to get the job done and they were unfortunately very amazed by the sheer numbers of mosquitoes that we have here and by the large breeding areas. Both men that were here have master’s degrees in entomology, and seemed very knowledgeable.
This year sucks, there is no question about that, we aren't trying to sugar coat it, it sucks. The river bottoms stayed flooded for three weeks straight from June 22nd to July 13, that created thousands of acres of additional mosquito breeding habitat, which created trillions of additional mosquitoes.
We will fog every night the weather allows us to fog, if you check the web site over the next few days you will see maps of the ground fogging. It takes a long time to create the maps but I get a lot of people who say they haven't been going by their house. We have handheld computers mounted in the trucks that are connected to the fogger and to a GPS. While they are driving around we are able to tell what time they went by your house, if the pump was running, and the exact speed they were going.
Every time we fog we create a vacuum, which is quickly filled by new mosquitoes from the river bottoms. It is frustrating to say the least, we can clean all of the mosquitoes out one night and the very next day they can completely fill back in. Even if for one of the four missions that we have the Air Force do is an adulticide mission, they cannot, by federal law, adulticide over the river bottoms, so the same principal would apply, they would kill every mosquito in and all around Williston, however if we don't larvacide within days, all of that time, effort, and money is waisted because there will be a new hatch that will replace them. I hope that makes sense to everyone, this process is called integrated pest management, you cannot just larvacide, you cannot just adulticide, you must do both. Integrated pest management says that 1) remove the source (habitat), which means we have to clean up any standing water that we can. 2) Larvacide, larvaciding is the most effective way to kill mosquitoes because they are confined, we know where they are at, and they are concentrated. 3) Adulticide, this is the least effective way to kill mosquitoes but is still a part of what must be done, adult mosquitoes are very mobile and are widely dispursed, which makes it very expensive to kill adults.
By perseverance the snail reached the ark. Charles Haddon Spurgeon (1834 - 1892) (But who let the skeeter on board?)Also somewhat of a hidden message to the Vector Control in that quote.
No problem...just trying to be part of the solution. Keep your chin up and stay optimistic. I've been reading articles from news papers around the country that have the same problem we do. From what I understand the constant combination of larvaciding and spraying seems to be helping these other communities.
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I'm sure this takes time and a lot of money. (Which the Williston residents don't seem to have much of... TIME that is.)) They want the results overnight, so it seems...completely understandable though. Spending my adolescent years in Williston, the skeeter problem has been going on for a very long time now.
Don't let "The man" beat you down though. As long as your crew is out at all hours of the day and night...There isn't a whole more you can do. You sure got things going in the right direction. Keep going.
Good luck!
This is great information, and we need to pursue this as a long term option and in the mean time we need to find a way to treat the bottoms. I think that Williston would make a great research area for anyone wanting to see if they can affect a massive population like what we have. This is exactly what we need to have happen here and is a goal that I have to find a way to make us the research center for studying the abatement of mosquitoes in rural and disadvantaged areas like us.
Steve, I just read about some kind of "donuts" that can be dropped in standing water to kill larvae. Have you guys read anything about this? Is this something we drop into our stagnant waters a couple times a year?
Great question Steve, yes they are slow release Bti donuts. I spent a lot of time asking Dave this same question when I got on the Board. The benefit of the donuts is that they last up to 30 days. When we larvacide we use a product called Vectobac G (Bti) which looks just like Grapenuts cereal.
There are a number of reasons we use this product as it has been described to me, but most importantly is that granuals are what the plane can drop, it can't drop the donuts. Secondly, the donuts are expensive, we have a similar product called Vectolex (Bs) which is a 30 day product in a granular form. The problem is that Vectolex (Bs) is very expensive and isn't as effective on Aedes Vexans as Vectobac (Bti). We are trying to get approval on the use of another 30 day product called Altosid, which is a growth regulator. It makes the mosquito stop at the pupa stage and not emerge as an adult.
Steve, I just read about some kind of "donuts" that can be dropped in standing water to kill larvae. Have you guys read anything about this? Is this something we drop into our stagnant waters a couple times a year?
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Steve, were getten eaten up by these blood suckers!!! Of course, they're going to be thick down at skunk hollow, pump house...ect!!! That is like well, duh!! Please don't get me wrong, I'm not coming down on the VcB, but dang. We all KNOW that the skeeters mutate in and on stagnant water. And its blatent that this larvisiding is doing, NOTHING!!! And the moquitos HAVE to fly through the spray!!! WELL, how STUPID!!! NO wonder that crap doesn't work! OH, and spraying the bottomes on both Williams and McKenzie counties will NEVER work!! Why, because...each side will start bitching about taxes and which side is getting sprayed more!! AS much as it kills me, I have to agree with jd. The skeeters were gone by this time last year!! West NILE virus is NO JOKE! Its waaaaaaaay worse this year!!!!!!!! Either get it undercontrol, or put Benth back in!!!
Shayla, read your post and then you will understand why Dave Benth quit in the first place... he heard the same thing year after year. Dave wants nothing to do with Vector Control because he got tired of hearing the same complaining and eventually it wore him down. The whole board quit for the same reason, and they want nothing to do with Vector Control as well. We have used Dave as much as time allowed him and we are very thankful for that.
The river bottoms are where the mosquitoes are coming from and that was my point, and larvaciding down there IS the answer, our problem is that Aedes Vexans can fly up to 15 miles un-aided by the wind therefore we really just need to spray the whole river bottom if we want to change what is going on.
You really need to go to our web site http://www.williamsnd.com/DepartmentDisplay.aspx?ID=21 and watch the 20 minute video of the river bottom fly over and you will then start to understand why we have a problem. Also, look at google earth or any other aerial imagery to understand the problem, and you will no longer make baseless claims that spraying the river bottom won't or doesn't work.
Here is the trap count for Skunk Hollow from last year vs. this year, week by week. The interesting part of this is that there is never any adulticide done at this trap, so it gives you an idea from year to year what the overall picture is of what we are dealing with.
2007 2008 June Wk 1 458 40 June Wk 2 1,956 24 June Wk 3 2,566 3,041 June Wk 4 1,822 9,082 July Wk 1 4,914 23,503 July Wk 2 7,108 39,963
The mosquitoes started later this year vs. last year, but with the additional water we had this year we have a lot more mosquitoes.
In 2007 the river never got over 20ft (flood stage). This year we were over flood stage from June 22rd to July 11th, so it would be fair to assume that the extra water on the river has made a significant impact on our mosquito population. To answer everyone's question about whether or not there are more this year than last, it is clear that we have far more mosquitoes than last year.
Just remember that we all are getting bit and we are all frustrated. There is a solution, and it will cost money, so if you want it solved keep that in mind and DON'T tell ME that there isn't a solution, I refuse to think that.
The mosquitos are NEVER going away. As long as there is stagnant water surrounding Williston, there will ALWAYS be mosquitoes. And "Yes." some years will be worse than others. It doesn't have anything to do with what VC is doing, but has everything to do with how Mother Nature dealt her hand this particular summer...seems as though you all were dealt a pretty rotten one. If the spraying and the extreme efforts by the VC aren't going to phase the problem...Nothing will.
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The mosquitos are NEVER going away. As long as there is stagnant water surrounding Williston, there will ALWAYS be mosquitoes. And "Yes." some years will be worse than others. It doesn't have anything to do with what VC is doing, but has everything to do with how Mother Nature dealt her hand this particular summer...seems as though you all were dealt a pretty rotten one. If the spraying and the extreme efforts by the VC aren't going to phase the problem...Nothing will.
Picture this........last night I went to spray my yard for mosquitos.....I got out side, went back inside put on long pants and a sweatshirt, pulled the hood over my head and tied the draw strings as tight as they would go...........Its still annoying me to death so I go back inside and drag out a WINTER SCARF and wrap it around my head (all this while lubed up in off) and finally some relief! I looke like a loon but hey at least I can spray my yard without getting eatin up! Is this normal?.............................lol
I'm sure this takes time and a lot of money. (Which the Williston residents don't seem to have much of... TIME that is.)) They want the results overnight, so it seems...completely understandable though. Spending my adolescent years in Williston, the skeeter problem has been going on for a very long time now.
Don't let "The man" beat you down though. As long as your crew is out at all hours of the day and night...There isn't a whole more you can do. You sure got things going in the right direction. Keep going.
tHEY DO SPRAY IN ALLEYS OR AT LEAST THEY DID....TRY GETTING SOME TEMPO, WE CANT RELY ON VECTOR CONTROL ALONE TO KILL THE MOSQUITOES!
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Thanks again Brandyi23, Fran has been fogging mostly in the streets for two reasons, one is safety and the other is you tend to get better spread of the fog from the street than from the alley. This was a recomendation from Dan Probst, who works for Clarke, the company that makes the fogger. He claims that because there tends to be less obstructions in front yards than in backyards you get better dispursion of the ULV fog. The mosquitoes must fly through the fog to die, so you want the fog to be up in the air for as long as possible. Also, it is best to have around a 5-10 mile per hour wind to help dispurse the fog, so if someone could work on wind for us that would be great.
Another question I have heard is why is the fogger pointed up in the air at a 45 degree angle, and again the answer is dispursion and to keep the fog in the air for as long as possible to maximize the killing effect.
Tempo is an excellent option to keep mosquitoes out of your yard. I use Tempo to spray my Spruce trees to create a barrier and because Fran told me that mosquitoes love evergreen trees for the excellent shade they provide them during the day. Tempo works after you spray it on vegetation by leaving a deadly residue behind. Mosquitoes tend to avoid areas that have been sprayed because they tend to die when they come in contact with those areas. Tempo has a residual effect until it gets washed off by either rain or sprinklers. When I apply Tempo I try to hit all the areas in my yard where the mosquitoes "hang out" during the day.
Since the fogging began, they have had one sucessful day which was tuesday,the 8th of july.All othe days have been a complete failure. The mosquitoes are clearly winning this battle.The previous group did a much better job than this gang. Please talk to some of that bunch and learn what they were doing that you are not. So far, all I have heard from the new bunch is a lot of chatter and no real action. If you can not do the job, admit it and maybe we can have some one else who knows mosquitoes and don[t ask me where. I am very disapointed with this all talk group. Oh yes, I forgot.....there was one mosquito on my white car this am and he was not quite dead as one wing was moving. Also, I am seeing people running around with hooded sweaters. Kinda rediculous isn't it?
I did want to also mention that the Vector Board has contracted Mr. David Benth, the previous Vector Director, to get us going, so we have definitely been talking to the previous group leader.
Keep in mind that we are all having to learn from scratch, this is a startup year, with a new board and new director, Fran Bosch. Remember, the previous group all quit, from the director to the board, because the public was so hard on them. Fran is learning timing this year and considering he got thrown into the worst mosquito problem in the nation in April 2008, he is doing pretty darn well if you ask me.
I just got done dipping for larva in the river bottoms tonight with Fran, you cannot even begin to imagine how bad the mosquitoes are down in the river bottoms, unless you have been there. We dipped by Skunk Hollow, the Pump House, and by Big Timber, for those of you who are familiar with the bottoms. It was simply the most stupid thing you can imagine. I wore my insulated coveralls with rubber boots, leather gloves and mosquito netting over my head, and Fran wore a mosquito net coat with head cover. Fran didn't wear gloves and at one point the mosquitoes were biting him so fiercely on the palms of his hands that when he smacked his hand against his pants he left dozens of blood spots all over. There is no having to convince me of where our mosquito problem comes from, and if we can get it cleaned up by the Air Force it may be worth it. We will meet with them and see what kind of plan can be hatched, and yes it will require more talking, but talking is how we learn and learn is what we will do, and mosquitoes will die from what we learn.
Thank you very much for your reply brandyri23, and if Mr. jd powell is interested in more "talking" he can certainly call me at my office at 577-4542, I would enjoy talking to him.
Personally, I believe that there is a solution that would bring the incredible hords of mosquitoes that we are seeing that come from the river bottom under control. Here is a possible solution: on July 17th, Entomologist Mark Breidenbaugh at the Youngstown Air Reserve Station will be coming up to Williston for a meeting to discuss how the Air Force may be able to help Williston with its nasty mosquito problem. They are looking for a training mission that is very well suited for Williston, as they are looking to do a liquid base BTI (larvacide) training mission on public lands. We have 81,127 acres of public lands known as the Missouri River bottoms from the Confluence to Longcreek. All we have to pay for is for housing the 14 member crew and the chemical. Unfortunately, in order to spray all 81,127 acres we need to have more money than we currently have. Just how much more needs to be fine tuned over the next few weeks.
What we desparetly need help doing is finding sources of money. If we were to simply ask the poeple of Williston to pay for this (which we wouldn't) it would cost every household $40/month. Personally, I would pay the $40/month if it meant no more mosquitoes, but realistically there are very few people that would want to pay that kind of money, especially those on fixed incomes. So if anyone out there has some ideas on how to raise $2.5 million per year than we desperately need to hear that, and you can talk to the entire vector board by calling 577-4563 which is the Vector Comment Line, and if you leave a message there, I can promise you that every board member will hear your idea.
I am very confident on the crew in the past and present, we wont win the battle with the mosquitos..........ever! Everyone must do their part in helping with standing water, spraying your own yard and such. I am one of those who run around with a hooded sweatshirt and maybe I am just used to it. This year I thought was a great improvement from last year and who to thank? I am sure a lot of people along with mother nature..........please if you are a "Debbie Downer" out there please be aware of your surroundings maybe a neighbor has tires or standing water and maybe they need a friendly reminder to keep up their yard and I am a firm believer if you think you can do it better...................do it! Quit "passing the buck". Oh and I think vector control has evening shifts available dont they?
Since the fogging began, they have had one sucessful day which was tuesday,the 8th of july.All othe days have been a complete failure. The mosquitoes are clearly winning this battle.The previous group did a much better job than this gang. Please talk to some of that bunch and learn what they were doing that you are not. So far, all I have heard from the new bunch is a lot of chatter and no real action. If you can not do the job, admit it and maybe we can have some one else who knows mosquitoes and don[t ask me where. I am very disapointed with this all talk group. Oh yes, I forgot.....there was one mosquito on my white car this am and he was not quite dead as one wing was moving. Also, I am seeing people running around with hooded sweaters. Kinda rediculous isn't it?
Good news from the Fed's today, Senator Dorgan's office was able to secure an additional $100,000.00 to boost us to $250,000.00 from the Corps of Engineers. This will be for next year but good to know that they are listening to us out here.
LMAO at steves comment...but seriously....I think I now need a blood transfustion!!! These skeetrs mean business!! HOLA!! I can only wish good luck and God Bless to those who are venturing out to the fair this weekend. OH, and BTW...we went back to using ORTHO Malathion Plus. ( I feel sorry for the bees and dragonflies, but hope it kills a few spiders cause....well.... they just freak me out!)
Spiders eat mosquitos.
HEY!! That's not how that song goes!! She swallowed the spider (that wriggled and jiggled and jiggled inside her) to catch the fly! Not the mosquito!
But now that I think about it...considering where we live, we really should change those lyrics. I know and old lady that swallowed a mosquito, I don't know why though, she swallowed the mosquito.
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LMAO at steves comment...but seriously....I think I now need a blood transfustion!!! These skeetrs mean business!! HOLA!! I can only wish good luck and God Bless to those who are venturing out to the fair this weekend. OH, and BTW...we went back to using ORTHO Malathion Plus. ( I feel sorry for the bees and dragonflies, but hope it kills a few spiders cause....well.... they just freak me out!)
Spiders eat mosquitos.
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The fog that is coming out of the back of the truck is a mix of oil and Anvil 10+10. This is a similar product to Tempo but is produced as super fine droplets that the mosquitoes must fly through to die, and yes, once they fly through it, they die.
The trucks are going through the streets, not the alleys, only as a suggestion from the vendor who sells the fogger. He claims you get better dispersion when fogging the streets than with the alleys.
Each night they alternate, they do Avenue's one night then Streets the next. That way they can cover the entire town in one night or morning. So far they have been getting up at 3:00am and doing the mornings.
The little mini Japanese truck sprays Tempo, they use it to spray the fairgrounds and the parks because it lasts longer than the fog. The crew has been working very long hours this week so if you see them please thank them for all the hard work.
As for the new, one time infusion of $150,000.00 from the city, for the first time ever in the history of Williston Vector Control we larvacided the Missouri River bottoms, including the Lewis and Clark Wildlife Management area. We'll have to see what kind of effect it has on creating a larger buffer so they can't be so easily blown in from the river like they did last week Tuesday. If this new money produces positive results, then the Vector Board may ask for an extra $2 from the voters in the November election. That would be a total of $4/month. We will only ask for the extra $2 if there is a significant improvement in the conditions (fewer mosquitos).
Another possibility is to look at expanding the Vector District to include both Williams and McKenzie Counties to create one large cooperative district. We both share the problem, the Missouri River bottoms from the Confluence to the beginning of Lake Sakakawea. If we could treat the entire river bottom from the confluence to the lake, we wouldn't have a mosquito issue period. It makes sense if you think of New Town for example, they have no mosquitoes there, why, because there is no river bottom, it is all lake. The problem is we need around $2,500,000.00 to treat that whole area. We need ideas on how to raise that kind of money, because we will need that amount of money each year. It is vital that we solve this problem, we are all SICK AND TIRED OF THE MOSQUITOES! We need the money to do it, so let's get the thinking caps on and get this problem solved.
Million dollar question.....Does the spray from the truck and the tempo actually KILL the mosquitos?
It seems to me that truck will spray in just the alleys of certain parts of town and in just streets in others.
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I dont think Ive seen or heard the truck in my area, they are getting BAD over here. We live in Glen Villa, but maybe since Im trailer trash, I dont deserve to have the truck come by and spray in my area.LOL
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Great article in the Herald today on the mosquito meeting that just took place. Once particular comment that was made caught my attention....
"Altosid is an insect growth regulator. Bosch described it as a synthetic hormone that keeps the young mosquitoes from maturing into adults."
How fair is this? We have technology to keep mosquitos from growing old but we can't prevent aging for ourselves? WHAT GIVES!!??
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Million dollar question.....Does the spray from the truck and the tempo actually KILL the mosquitos?
It seems to me that truck will spray in just the alleys of certain parts of town and in just streets in others.
-- Edited by Steve Powell at 16:29, 2008-06-25
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As I entered my yard this AM I suddenly realized I was not being swarmed by those deadly mosquitos., However, as I brushed against some bushes, aha, there they were. It's a long way between alleys and it just does not get all the mosquitos. They have always done this. Why do they not spray down the streets as well as the allys getting the homes front and back. There must be a reason for this but what is?
Hey Steve!! Was that the skeeter truck that woke me up this morning!? OK...no I'm not complaining...in fact if you could have the truck go by every morning around 6:45 I won't have to set my alarm.
Is this a new strategy? What other things are you guys doing now that your high wind strategy stopped.
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I think there are people in Williston that feel once bitten twice shy. They may have agreed the first time to give the extra dollar but did so under the pretence that the mosquitos would magically go away as a result. Those people were probably the ones calling the past director and board members at home to harass them.
As I've said before, I'd give $10 a month for a couple years if I was guaranteed they would be gone for good. But I'm not willing to keep giving an extra dollar to merely maintain the current situation.
I agree with ya though for sure, Kemper is the bravest soul in Williston and not just for getting involved in the mosquito fight. If it's controversial, you can almost bet Kemper is there.
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242 people in Williston actually voted AGAINST paying an extra $1/month? Why? You spend more than a $1/month on coffee or tick taks or whatever it is you spend money on. Why wouldn't you spend a friggin' DOLLAR (sorry, EXTRA dollar) per month to try to kill them?
Anyway, congrats Kemper on getting your measure passed. You're the bravest guy in Williston to stand up to the skeeters!
I hope the 242 people that voted against the $1 get bit extra hard. ;)
They're REALLY bad over by my house (2 blocks east of subway). My daughter can't even play in her pool :( I hate squitoe's !!!! (I say this as the bottom of my food itches like CRAZY cuz of stupid mosquitoes!!!)
Yep, got up this morning to paint my deck and was attacked, but as of noon, I havnt really seen any! Wonder if they are fogging yet??? But otherwise, so far, I think, at least in my part of town they havnt been bad! Today was the first time Ive even seen any...
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Steve? What happened to all that wind my extra dollar was paying for to keep these mosquitos away?
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1024? Huh, how appropriate is that? Steve, you geek, how many megabytes in a gigabyte? Could this be your sign?
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