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Better ban coins then too because I know kids have died from putting them in their mouth and then accidently getting them lodged in their throat.  Oh, and marshmallows too.  What the heck, just ban all things small enough for a kid to put in his/her mouth and choke to death.  Better ban curtain pull strings too because infants have been known to get them wrapped around their necks.  And the stores need to get rid of plastic bags since kids have been known to put them over their heads and suffocate.  After all, it is all of these things individually that are killing people and not the people themselves.

Those are only a few examples.  If we're going to protect people from themselves we've got lots of work to do.  So many ways for a person to kill themselves irresponsibly and so many laws to pass.  Heck...I want government to hire someone to walk with me and each one of my family members individually and hold our hands and make sure we don't fall down the stairs, or slip on the ice and stuff like that. 

Sorry Jib.  It's early and I'm in a spirited mood today.  Forgive me.  smile

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Tesla wrote:

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one could leave a coyote trap in their house for a child to step in....

should we ban the device because some people fail to use common sense...


Yes.

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ps there is no way anyone is accidently shot in the head,

someone pointed a loaded gun in the direction of someones head and pulled the trigger...


either way it's the numb skulls fault who did it and should be held accountable....

if you run with a loaded gun or knife or blade and you fall on it, only yourself is to blame...

stupid just plain stupid,

sad but I don't pity the fool "Mr. T"  ;)


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Exactly,

one could leave a coyote trap in their house for a child to step in....

should we ban the device because some people fail to use common sense...

Hunters safety is pretty much common sense... 





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Obviously these incidents are aweful to hear about.  But when I read this part,

"Police believe the shooting was an accident and said the father of one of the boys had left two shotguns unsecured in the living room of his home after going duck hunting."

it reinforced to me the fact that the guns aren't the problem.  It was the person that was the problem once again.  We can't take everything away from all of the people to protect them from themselves.  That's not governments role. 



-- Edited by Steve Powell on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 06:26:48 AM

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Oregon-City-teen-accidentally-shot-in-head-114931739.html



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A greek is a greek - been married to one for 36 year's. They are bull dog's.   And they exhaust me.  But, I, would have it no other way.smile

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Sweet!  I liked that movie 300 too!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe

come and get them!

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there is no security in loss of freedoms!


those who would lay down theirs will get chains!


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jib my last post was for you,

sorry for any confusion,


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I don't like my chances vs. a Griz even when armed,

I have way too much respect for them, just like i do for guns or any weapon.

why do you feel so privlidged above God and our Founders to say we should be without the choice to defend ourselves or bear arms?

no man will ever tell me how to protect myself or my family in this regard,

this is a very basic human right and the only ones who would take it away would be looking to dominate or control you!!!

I have enough respect for my fellow humans to grant them the same freedoms I expect to have myself, I'm not affraid of a Jared Loughtner because I know I'd defend myself from him,

therefore I don't see the need to strip naked others,


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Jibslider - you have your opinion.  But, have you ever came up against a very sick animal?  I have been chased by rabid skunks - and badger's.  They would not have any worries - they are nuts, same  as the sick people, that they have let out of mental instituations to live amoung us.  Because it was the correct way to do thing's.  Now it is Half way House's that no one still care's  about.  Believe me - I went thru that one in 1980.  At that time it was the Group Home on our Block.. go figure.  Were my gun's load, yes.  But not in sight of my son, nor could he find them or his friend's.  Where there is a will  - there is a way.  And were the Group's Home's at that time and where our house was awful?  You better know it.  But, they still sent their people by  to come educate us,  on how to live amoung them. 

-- Edited by vko on Monday 24th of January 2011 11:45:20 PM

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Tesla wrote:

I think walking around in Grizz country is just plain stupid unarmed...

but it's certainly your choice to be violated by an animal one on two legs our four...



Violated? Me or the bear?

Does this mean I won't have to run into you in the wilderness any time soon? I hope so, there are already too many people out there that rely on their firearms instead of their intelligence.

 



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I think walking around in Grizz country is just plain stupid unarmed...

but it's certainly your choice to be violated by an animal one on two legs our four...


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But, bear spray will not put a rabid skunk out of its misery.  Nor, scare off a coyote that is ready to make lunch out of my dog, cause the coyotes run in groups around here.  Shot gun's are too hard to handle on a horse and too heavy to carry around.

-- Edited by vko on Monday 24th of January 2011 08:06:29 AM

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Jib, the bad guys already have guns and will always have them regardless of whether it's legal or not.  Making them illegal only helps the bad guys.  House break ins happen, Jib.  I'm certainly not paranoid, I'm cautious.  I didn't choose to be this way.  Society caused this.  I've read too many stories about the dad having to die because he could only try protect his family with his bare hands.  Well, those stories don't turn out too well. 

We have the right to free speech, just because.  We have the right to whatever religion we want, just because.  Yeah, doesn't quite sound the same as when you add "our forefathers said so". 

We have the right to own a gun, because our forefathers said so.  It's in the constitution.  It's a constitutional right.  Politicians need to stop messing with the constitution, our rights.

OpthAmologists have these same rights.biggrin


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vko wrote:

I carry a handgun when hiking alone and when riding.  We have a alot of coyotes and rabid skunks in our area.



I've done plenty of wilderness hiking and camping all throughout the west and Alaska and have never carried a handgun. I do however carry bear spray on a home made "holster" on my backpack.

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Tesla wrote:
"Self Defense" not everyone can protect themselves with their bare hands

even if you can, there are scenarios where the best person at hand to hand combat will lose to a criminal with a bat, knife, gun,

taking arms away from law abiding citizens doesn't protect them from criminals who will always obtain things illegally anyways.

but it starts with a very basic question who is responsible for your safety/protection?  you?  or the state?  Freedom isn't without risk or danger.  it does come with responsibility, and accountability.


If the criminals didn't have guns, I/you wouldn't need to have one to protect myself.

I've seen plenty of news on "law abiding citizens" that have used their firearms to become non-law abiding citizens. If they didn't have easy access to these firearms, maybe they would still be law abiding citizens, and maybe some folks would still have their lives.

 



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Steve Powell wrote:

Someone breaks into your house.  How much faster is it to pull a handgun from your drawer than it is to go down to your gun case? 

Government decides to exterminate all opthomologists.  We decide it's not governments place to make that decision.  It's how we protect ourselves.

It's our right.  Our forefathers said so. 


And...just because. smile.gif


What's an "opthomologist"? smile

Are you afraid of someone breaking into your house? Is that any way to live your life? I think paranoia is the culprit there, and it's hard to shoot your emotions.

Saying "It's our right. Our forefathers said so" is the same thing as saying "Because".

Steve wants a handgun because he's paranoid. It's ok to say so. Emotional people with guns are scary.

 



-- Edited by Jibslider on Sunday 23rd of January 2011 11:56:45 PM

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I carry a handgun when hiking alone and when riding.  We have a alot of coyotes and rabid skunks in our area.

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Why does anybody need a "personal firearm" aka handgun? Please give he a reason besides, "Because."

I can understand hunting rifles, but handguns and assault rifles?////



"Self Defense" not everyone can protect themselves with their bare hands
even if you can, there are scenarios where the best person at hand to hand combat will lose to a criminal with a bat, knife, gun,

taking arms away from law abiding citizens doesn't protect them from criminals who will always obtain things illegally anyways.

but it starts with a very basic question who is responsible for your safety/protection?  you?  or the state?  Freedom isn't without risk or danger.  it does come with responsibility, and accountability.




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Someone breaks into your house.  How much faster is it to pull a handgun from your drawer than it is to go down to your gun case? 

Government decides to exterminate all opthomologists.  We decide it's not governments place to make that decision.  It's how we protect ourselves.

It's our right.  Our forefathers said so. 


And...just because. smile.gif



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Why does anybody need a "personal firearm" aka handgun? Please give he a reason besides, "Because."

I can understand hunting rifles, but handguns and assault rifles?

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Sorry I know I've beaten this to death but it's very crucial and critical to keeping what freedoms we have left, and I'm obviously passionate about the issue.

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On Gun Control and Violence

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January 18, 2010

The terrible violence in Arizona last weekend prompted much national discussion on many issues.  All Americans are united in their sympathies for the victims and their families.  All wonder what could motivate such a horrible act.  However, some have attempted to use this tragedy to discredit philosophical adversaries or score political points.  This sort of opportunism is simply despicable.

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Since police cannot be everywhere all of the time, a large part of our personal safety depends on our ability to defend ourselves.

We are fortunate to live in a society where violence is universally denounced.  Not one public official or commentator has attempted to justify this reprehensible act, yet the newspapers, internet, and airwaves are full of people trying to claim it was somehow motivated by someone else’s political rhetoric.  Most disturbing are the calls to use government power to censor certain forms of speech, and even outlaw certain types of criticism of public officials.  This was the completely apolitical act of a violent and disturbed man.  How sad that the attempted murder of the Congresswoman who had just read the First Amendment on the House floor would be used in efforts to chill free speech!  Perhaps some would feel safer if the Alien and Sedition Acts were reinstated.

Also troubling are the renewed calls for stricter gun control laws, and for government to “do something” to somehow prevent similar incidents in the future.  This always seems to be the knee jerk reaction to any crime committed with a gun.  Nonsensical proposals to outlaw guns around federal officials and install bulletproof barriers in the congressional gallery only reinforce the growing perception that politicians view their own lives as far more important than the lives of ordinary citizens.  Politicians and a complicit media have conditioned many citizens to view government as our protector, leading to more demands for government action whenever tragedies occur.  But this impulse is at odds with the best American traditions of self-reliance and individualism, and it also leads to bad laws and the loss of liberty.

Remember – liberty only has meaning if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and more government security is demanded.  Government cannot make us safe by mandating security any more than it can make us prosperous by decreeing an end to poverty.

We need to reaffirm the core American value of individual responsibility.  Consider the young man who had the courage to tackle the shooter and prevent further carnage because he himself had a concealed weapon.  Without that gun, he could have been yet another sitting duck.  When peaceful citizens are armed, they at least have a chance against armed criminals.

Advocates of gun control would urge us to leave our safety to law enforcement, but eyewitness reports indicate it took police as much as 20 minutes to arrive on the scene that day!  Since police cannot be everywhere all of the time, a large part of our personal safety depends on our ability to defend ourselves.

Our constitutional right to bear arms does not create a society without risks of violent crime, and neither would the strictest gun control laws.  Guns and violence are a fact of life.  The question is whether it is preferable to be defenseless while waiting for the police, or to have the option to arm yourself.  We certainly know criminals prefer the former.



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Very good article.  All those examples pretty much sum up the results of taking guns away.

Good info.

Thanks Tesla.   Still one of my favorite bands EVER! smile.gif




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I liked the article - thank you.  I own guns - target practice with them - but will never give them up to any government.  My dad taught me that.  My dad gave me his gun's, you better not try pull those guns out of my hands. Those gun's would throw me on my back end.  But, now the Government is trying to controll the ammunition.  Either way I am not beyond learning at my age.  That is the difference of a gun owner and the Sick people.

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http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2011/01/17/front-sights-monday-blog-if-we-can-save-just-one-life/

thought this was good,

pretty much covers all I'd want to say, 



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Even if the political atmosphere had nothing to do with this rampage, hopefully it has opened people's eyes to the garbage that gets tossed around by politicians and news organizations. Maybe, just maybe, there will be a change for the better from now on.

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Your exactly right, Steve.  This was a sick - sick person.  And the blogging about this and it being political is just as sick.    My sister's were at the Hospital in Arizona yesterday and were going to the Memorial, last night.  It is heartbreakingly sad.

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I seriously have to vent here.  You may choose to ignore. 

I'm getting seriously sick and tired of people taking this tragedy and politicizing it. 

This was a sick individual that was mental AND was on drugs.  It has been docuemented from people that knew him very well that he didn't watch tv, he didn't like the news, he wasn't Republican or Democrat. 

The guys was booted from college.  He was seriously full of hate and anger.  His youtube site and his internet postings prove this. 

So how the hell does this relate to the immigration law, Fox News, CNN, or anything else political? 

A Vermont politician is using this to raise money.  Calling out Republicans for being "haters" and creating this violence.  Cal-Berkley is using this to push the immigration issue via email. 

GIVE-ME-A-FREAKING-BREAK

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