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RE: Mosquitoes 2010


SteveKemp wrote:

Believe it or not, the application of the larvacide they are using is very effective and I have witnessed the effects of those treatments.  We simply don't have the resources to treat the entire area all at once and several times like it needs.  It takes 105 passes to cover the 4 mile width of the river bottoms (swamp).

The C-130 from the Air Force is spraying a product called Vectobac 12AS, which is bacteria that the mosquito larva eat and it crystallizes in their gut and they die.  The yellow bi-plane is operated by Aero Spraying who is under contract from Williston Vector Control, and they are applying Vectobac 12AS as well.  The product kills the larva before they get a chance to bite you.  This year has been especially challenging for several reasons.  One, the Air Force was a week late getting here because they were in the Gulf of Mexico spraying the oil slick with a dispersant.  And two, the river has gone over 22 feet which is a foot higher than it got last year, and thus there is that much more flooded swamp area just south of town.  The river bottoms are 4 miles wide and just about that whole area is flooded and creates a huge breeding area for the mosquitoes. 

The Air Force brings in several entomologists and they have been all over the world and they comment that they have never seen anything quite like Williston.  Our challenge is this, we don't have a big enough taxable base population to effectively control the breeding sites in the river bottom.  It is fair to say that we don't have a mosquito problem, we have a funding problem, because we could effectively treat this area if we had enough funds to do so.  We did get an increase from $2/month to $4/month from the citizens of Williston and that was hugely appreciated however it is simply not enough to do the job.  We have been told by experts that our problem is a $2.5-3 million dollar a year problem and we treat it with around $600,000 if you count $200,000 which goes to the Air Force and Trenton from an ear mark from Senator Dorgan's office.

There is an idea floating around to attempt to get the 1/2 cent county wide sales tax to go to Vector Control when the county is done paying for the jail which could happen in the next 2-4 years.  This tax currently generates around $3 million/year in revenue for the county to pay back the bond on the new jail and law enforcement center.  This is just in the idea stage and is just talk so I am curious what other people think of the idea.  We would have to increase the Vector Control District to cover the whole county prior to attempting to use the sales tax.  Also, if the sales tax was to be used for Vector Control we would then get rid of our $4/month water bill charge, as well as the 1 mil property tax levy as well.  We would love to hear what people think of this idea and any thoughts and comments.

Thanks,

Steve Kemp



another excellent post worth more discussion

 



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SteveKemp wrote:

The mosquitoes are starting to show up, if you want to know more about what Vector Control is up to start here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WillistonVector
There are 14 videos and counting showing a summation of what we do.  Please comment on anything you see on the youtube site or here if you prefer, we appreciate your feedback, good and bad.



I do think these videos are worth viewing again

 



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romoisajedi wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#docid=5355374476580235299

sigma sigma, always calling names and hurling insults...

so quick to hate and very closed minded,



yes the federal reserve is our central bank, it alone prints money "federal reserve notes"  and sets interest rates.  prints money backed by nothing out of thin air and that's why we are in the mess we are today...

p.s. you can't have free market capitalism with a central bank either... so the idea that we are a free constitutional republic, or have had free market capitalism at all since 1913 is a lie.

p.p.s. the federal reserve is a privately owned bank, not run by our government, but one could probably say it owns our government and nation and all of us today...

:)



This belongs on the thread "not Williston related" ... I am with you Romo..Excellent Video. I went through the items posted by the lower court rulings by Sigma and it is just a bunch of name calling. We must cite laws. This is the basis of a Republic. The Supreme court is the ruling of the land.

 



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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#docid=5355374476580235299

sigma sigma, always calling names and hurling insults...

so quick to hate and very closed minded,



yes the federal reserve is our central bank, it alone prints money "federal reserve notes"  and sets interest rates.  prints money backed by nothing out of thin air and that's why we are in the mess we are today...

p.s. you can't have free market capitalism with a central bank either... so the idea that we are a free constitutional republic, or have had free market capitalism at all since 1913 is a lie.

p.p.s. the federal reserve is a privately owned bank, not run by our government, but one could probably say it owns our government and nation and all of us today...

:)


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And may be the Corp of Engineers could get out of the way.  Regulations and more regulations...  The Birds will move and come back as they have all over.  The fish,  frogs, turtles know what to do.  These mosquitoes carry diseases... but that is okay.   I have no problem with what the Vector is doing.  I have a problem with the Corp of Engineers and their regulations.  This govenment is trying to Controll everything, no wonder people are bucking the system.  Steve Kemp - you and group are doing your best - under the controll of our system.  no

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I do think that would be a great selling point steve. I think you would be suprised at how many would love to support the tax. So far the little buggers are fewer in numbers this year, think what it will be like in a few years. I for one am all for it.

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romoisajedi wrote:

I agree on a sales tax,

like you said, people can avoid it then if needed.

direct taxes on income and property are unconstitutional,

http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/income-tax-declared-unconstitutional

but that's under our free republic, which technically we haven't been since 1913 when the federal reserve became our "central bank" you can't have a central bank in a free soceity,

it's one of ten pillars of the communist manifesto however,

10 point program of Communism

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

 



I have very little energy or interest in trying to comment on every theory you post on here, Romo, but sufficet to say I disagree with pretty much everything you say and post.  I don't expect you to care about that, in fact, I'd be shocked if you did.  Still, in this case I'll post link this site (I think I did once in the past) and leave it at that.  

As for a centeral bank, didn't the United States have a ceneral bank in the First and Second Bank of the United States, a system pioneered by Alexander Hamilton?



-- Edited by Sigma on Wednesday 16th of June 2010 06:46:46 PM

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I agree on a sales tax,

like you said, people can avoid it then if needed.

direct taxes on income and property are unconstitutional,

http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/income-tax-declared-unconstitutional

but that's under our free republic, which technically we haven't been since 1913 when the federal reserve became our "central bank" you can't have a central bank in a free soceity,

it's one of ten pillars of the communist manifesto however,

10 point program of Communism
  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.


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I would be more than happy to be taxed if we could get ahead of the little buggers.  I have 3 zappers at the farm working over time and using alot of tempo and other sprays.  Mow every other day and I am not even making any head way.confuse

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I'm guessing the sell on this is that through a half cent tax the county residents don't necessiarly HAVE to pay for it anymore.  They can buy their "stuff" elsewhere.  This takes away the "being forced to pay for it" part of it all.

Grasping at straws? 

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I agree with you sue. If we can get this problem under control, why not get the funding. The only down side is to get the agreement from the people in the county. Not many of them are fans of vector simply because they were sent a bill depending on their land size for spraying since they were not covered in the increase on our water bills in town. Some of them just paid it, others were told they had to pay it when they called to find out what it was for, and some flat out refused to pay it. This has left a bitter taste in the mouths of some of the people towards vector. I do think it has helped a little this year. We cant expect them to disapear over night, but over a few years, hopefully it should get better.

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SteveKemp wrote:

Believe it or not, the application of the larvacide they are using is very effective and I have witnessed the effects of those treatments.  We simply don't have the resources to treat the entire area all at once and several times like it needs.  It takes 105 passes to cover the 4 mile width of the river bottoms (swamp).

The C-130 from the Air Force is spraying a product called Vectobac 12AS, which is bacteria that the mosquito larva eat and it crystallizes in their gut and they die.  The yellow bi-plane is operated by Aero Spraying who is under contract from Williston Vector Control, and they are applying Vectobac 12AS as well.  The product kills the larva before they get a chance to bite you.  This year has been especially challenging for several reasons.  One, the Air Force was a week late getting here because they were in the Gulf of Mexico spraying the oil slick with a dispersant.  And two, the river has gone over 22 feet which is a foot higher than it got last year, and thus there is that much more flooded swamp area just south of town.  The river bottoms are 4 miles wide and just about that whole area is flooded and creates a huge breeding area for the mosquitoes. 

The Air Force brings in several entomologists and they have been all over the world and they comment that they have never seen anything quite like Williston.  Our challenge is this, we don't have a big enough taxable base population to effectively control the breeding sites in the river bottom.  It is fair to say that we don't have a mosquito problem, we have a funding problem, because we could effectively treat this area if we had enough funds to do so.  We did get an increase from $2/month to $4/month from the citizens of Williston and that was hugely appreciated however it is simply not enough to do the job.  We have been told by experts that our problem is a $2.5-3 million dollar a year problem and we treat it with around $600,000 if you count $200,000 which goes to the Air Force and Trenton from an ear mark from Senator Dorgan's office.

There is an idea floating around to attempt to get the 1/2 cent county wide sales tax to go to Vector Control when the county is done paying for the jail which could happen in the next 2-4 years.  This tax currently generates around $3 million/year in revenue for the county to pay back the bond on the new jail and law enforcement center.  This is just in the idea stage and is just talk so I am curious what other people think of the idea.  We would have to increase the Vector Control District to cover the whole county prior to attempting to use the sales tax.  Also, if the sales tax was to be used for Vector Control we would then get rid of our $4/month water bill charge, as well as the 1 mil property tax levy as well.  We would love to hear what people think of this idea and any thoughts and comments.

Thanks,

Steve Kemp



Steve, I would rather pay a half cent for this then anything!! All that money spent on walking paths and very few use them. The swarms carry a body away. Brave - heavily sprayed people move fast on the paths.

 



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This is one of those things that I'd give a yes vote on without question.  Those mosquitos have caused enough quality of life issues that I'm willing to try almost anything.

I still think we should be pushing for a research and development plant for a company like Off or Repel.  Or...maybe I should create my own company where I mix my own spray concocted from household items and add a dash of ginger root.  That would make me rich!!  Moowaaahaaahaaa!!!  Then again, someone might end up with 3 headed children too if I were to do that.  Second thought....never mind.   

I appreciate your hard work fighting these skeeters, Steve.

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Believe it or not, the application of the larvacide they are using is very effective and I have witnessed the effects of those treatments.  We simply don't have the resources to treat the entire area all at once and several times like it needs.  It takes 105 passes to cover the 4 mile width of the river bottoms (swamp).

The C-130 from the Air Force is spraying a product called Vectobac 12AS, which is bacteria that the mosquito larva eat and it crystallizes in their gut and they die.  The yellow bi-plane is operated by Aero Spraying who is under contract from Williston Vector Control, and they are applying Vectobac 12AS as well.  The product kills the larva before they get a chance to bite you.  This year has been especially challenging for several reasons.  One, the Air Force was a week late getting here because they were in the Gulf of Mexico spraying the oil slick with a dispersant.  And two, the river has gone over 22 feet which is a foot higher than it got last year, and thus there is that much more flooded swamp area just south of town.  The river bottoms are 4 miles wide and just about that whole area is flooded and creates a huge breeding area for the mosquitoes. 

The Air Force brings in several entomologists and they have been all over the world and they comment that they have never seen anything quite like Williston.  Our challenge is this, we don't have a big enough taxable base population to effectively control the breeding sites in the river bottom.  It is fair to say that we don't have a mosquito problem, we have a funding problem, because we could effectively treat this area if we had enough funds to do so.  We did get an increase from $2/month to $4/month from the citizens of Williston and that was hugely appreciated however it is simply not enough to do the job.  We have been told by experts that our problem is a $2.5-3 million dollar a year problem and we treat it with around $600,000 if you count $200,000 which goes to the Air Force and Trenton from an ear mark from Senator Dorgan's office.

There is an idea floating around to attempt to get the 1/2 cent county wide sales tax to go to Vector Control when the county is done paying for the jail which could happen in the next 2-4 years.  This tax currently generates around $3 million/year in revenue for the county to pay back the bond on the new jail and law enforcement center.  This is just in the idea stage and is just talk so I am curious what other people think of the idea.  We would have to increase the Vector Control District to cover the whole county prior to attempting to use the sales tax.  Also, if the sales tax was to be used for Vector Control we would then get rid of our $4/month water bill charge, as well as the 1 mil property tax levy as well.  We would love to hear what people think of this idea and any thoughts and comments.

Thanks,

Steve Kemp

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Those big planes fly in front of our office. and so does the smaller sprayer's. What is it they are using?  This year is horrible.  From the countryside into Williston.  If these big air force planes fly into other bug infested countries, then God help us. The mosquitoes are worse than ever.  Williston should cancel the Fourth already.  Use the Good stuff or quit using our money.  It look's impressive, but is that all? 



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I have not been in areas in Williston, but stop, you are sending them to the country.  J/K biggrin

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Not sure if its legal or not to do it without their consent, but I do know that if someone came knocking on my door to ask if it was ok or not.....Go right ahead!! :)  Simply put, just ask them if its alright.  I'm sure they won't mind!


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Over by the main street area they are getting fairly rough. I think we have one yard that might be an issue. North side of Harmon Park.

Several of us were spraying, weed eating, mowing, checking water puddles, cleaning behind the garage, bug killer galore and unless we can get all yards to help, I think we will still have a problem.

Is it legal to spray into a neighbors yard?

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I havent seen one yet while out walking the dog. Knock on wood. I was thinking last year we already had them pretty bad. Am I thinking wrong?

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The mosquitoes are starting to show up, if you want to know more about what Vector Control is up to start here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WillistonVector
There are 14 videos and counting showing a summation of what we do.  Please comment on anything you see on the youtube site or here if you prefer, we appreciate your feedback, good and bad.


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