Your comment: It's interesting that a few posts ago you were totally in agreement with VKO that educators are brainwashing our children with their liberal propoganda but Trahrah calls you out on it and your story changes that it's the teacher organizations and not actually the teachers in the classroom. Which is it?
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Wow..... perhaps you need to slow down and read my post. Sometimes reading slowly or reading it a few times helps the comprehension level. Not that I'm concerned about your comprehension level.. I'm just concerned that you are misinterpreting my information. Can you show me where I have said anything about "educators" brainwashing our children? Please, I don't mind having a good debate. But please don't misquote me. Read it very carefully... Hint: If someone agrees with someone, don't parse out the words and make an alias of what I'm saying. I still think VKO has a great point, teachers should keep their political views to themselves.
Oh wait.. you're the one that used the "blame" comment. I'm still laughing at that.. c'mon.. you have to admit, that was pretty funny. You used "blame" as a qualifier to your own political philosophy. Too funny.
Perhaps I can help you with your misinterpretation. Using the word "educators" makes me put..wait I'll use a word you like...."blame" on the teachers. So "educators" also means "teachers"... right? I'm really not trying to patronize here. Do I make any reference towards teachers or educators? OK, now that we have that straight, what did I say? Actually, I put "blame" on homes (including parents) and schools. Now, are there teachers with bad judgment? Do they force their political views on children? Of course.. on both sides.. conservative and liberal. But.. now read this very carefully, the educational ENVIRONMENT lends itself to liberalism. Part of that is TV.. and a huge part of it is also our school SYSTEM. Especially at the college level. Is that more clear? And again you failed to recognize a huge error in your argument. All I'm saying is the education system lends itself to liberalism. If being a liberal is a good thing, you should be grateful! Something tells me you are a liberal wanting to become a conservative. Heck.. if someone told me our educational system lended itself to conservativism I would be smiling with pride!
By the way, Trahrah, I didn't interpret your post on calling me out on anything. I don't know if you are a liberal teacher or a conservative teacher. But if you are like most of the teachers I know, you are probably a very good teacher. And that's all that really matters.
Small print: Use of the word "blame" can be deceiving. Can also cause dehydration, foaming at the mouth, diarrhea, and a craving for twinkies. If you have had a craving for twinkies for longer than four hours, please consult with your doctor.
-- Edited by Jimmylikesvikes on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 10:32:48 PM
Stop.Quit. The Main Point is. Things Happen. - Not Alway's Good. The People that can Treat the Situation Better, Does Not. It has gotten way to the Point of trying to deal with the Situation Some One in Position will try Put you Down. I made a Choice early You want that Position " May The Fact's Be Out There". No Rumor's No Distorting No Nothing... That is why I do dates, names and what happened. Teacher's are a Very Important and Not Paid Enough or given Respect Enough..When Bad things happen - Some People with try Shut you up - Embarased You or BS you to keep you quiet.. A Very Small Portion - But they are the People you answer to as teachers - and the one's we as Parent's have to take things to. And guess what - I guess some times if that does not work they WILL leak it to the media so the Media will HOUND YOU> to get off their backs. That is why I put both together....I have the Greatest Respect for Teacher's except for one... and NONE for the Media.
Tammy, way to put it out there! I know how hard teachers work. And I also know most teachers are not in the teaching profession for the money... at least I wouldn't think so. I have all the respect in the world for the teaching profession. It's organizations like the NEA that rubs me the wrong way. Do I have my blinders on again or does the general teaching environment (organizations, agendas, etc) lend itself to liberal ideas?
I am good friends with two teachers here in Rochester, MN. They are constantly correcting papers, receiving calls from parents, etc.... and this is after the work day. It's more than a full time job. Teachers are in the profession because they love teaching. They really don't get the respect they deserve.. both financially and from a community standpoint. -- Edited by Jimmylikesvikes on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 09:57:02 AM
-- Edited by Jimmylikesvikes on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 10:16:12 AM
It's interesting that a few posts ago you were totally in agreement with VKO that educators are brainwashing our children with their liberal propoganda but Trahrah calls you out on it and your story changes that it's the teacher organizations and not actually the teachers in the classroom. Which is it?
Steve-
"However, those of us who pay close attention to what our children are being taught will catch anything that may present a "bias" or "slant" in the content whereas those parents who don't spend the time with their children will let that content slip by without providing guidance in the learning process....if that makes sense. This is where the lack of parenting can be critical in how a child views the world later in life whether it's politics, or just life in general."
What bias have you dealt with in the schooling your children have gotten so far? Has there been a conservative slant in there at all? I was Rickard at the time of the elections when they were having "war" out on the playground between "democrats and republicans" and there were a lot more "republicans" so I would guess that r there was a lot more republican propoganda being spread through out the school than there was democrat propoganda. Was that from the parents or the teachers? Or did the "republicans" just have better parenting that overcame what their teachers were telling them?
I will say this though, I know for a fact that a certain high school teacher here at WHS has tendencies to try and persuade students to his beliefs. My sister-in-law has given me specific examples of this and I've seen posters on his wall pertaining to this as well. ...
You must be talking about Mr. Christen's wrestling posters. I wish he would stop trying to persuade students that wresting is the best activity on the face of the planet.
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I don't think this thread was meant to bash teachers as much as it was meant to bash those who create the content presented by the teachers which would primarily mean the textbooks and such. I dont' think any of us on this thread would deny your profession is not an easy one and is arguably one of if not the most respected. However, those of us who pay close attention to what our children are being taught will catch anything that may present a "bias" or "slant" in the content whereas those parents who don't spend the time with their children will let that content slip by without providing guidance in the learning process....if that makes sense. This is where the lack of parenting can be critical in how a child views the world later in life whether it's politics, or just life in general.
I will say this though, I know for a fact that a certain high school teacher here at WHS has tendencies to try and persuade students to his beliefs. My sister-in-law has given me specific examples of this and I've seen posters on his wall pertaining to this as well. As much as I respect teachers for the difficult task they have at hand, I don't believe I'm paying them to try and convince my children to vote for a certain political party.
I have a teaching degree, I student taught both gradeschool and middleschool and it's because of politics I decided I could not continue with that career choice. The intrinsic rewards were certainly great, extrinsic not so great. But lack of student control and other political handcuffs made my decision easy.
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A lot of people don't realize that NOT every teacher belongs to NEA. It isn't mandatory that we join. Like everything else, it has pros and cons. It is an individual choice to join. Some teachers join and would like to belong to the local chapter but not the national but that isn't an option.
Tammy, way to put it out there! I know how hard teachers work. And I also know most teachers are not in the teaching profession for the money... at least I wouldn't think so. I have all the respect in the world for the teaching profession. It's organizations like the NEA that rubs me the wrong way. Do I have my blinders on again or does the general teaching environment (organizations, agendas, etc) lend itself to liberal ideas?
I am good friends with two teachers here in Rochester, MN. They are constantly correcting papers, receiving calls from parents, etc.... and this is after the work day. It's more than a full time job. Teachers are in the profession because they love teaching. They really don't get the respect they deserve.. both financially and from a community standpoint. -- Edited by Jimmylikesvikes on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 09:57:02 AM
-- Edited by Jimmylikesvikes on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 10:16:12 AM
I don't really know how this got to be a teacher bashing session but.... I personally invite each and everyone of you to visit my classroom for ANY amount of time. One hour, one week... whatever...
Come. See what I do. See why I chose this profession. Then you have an educated, personal experience to see what teachers do everyday. If you have had a bad experience with a teacher, ok. But please don't put all teachers in the same category.
Oh Jib - bless your heart... may your life and your children (if you have any or planning on any) be problem free.... and if not fight (policatically correct) sp. for that little person. It brings on a whole new meaning. Not to make bad behavior ok - just to make it a level playing field - fair.
The main Point is, is that Children are in the class rooms with teacher's all day. They are a captive audience to that teacher and their teaching skills and their views. If you have a problem with a teacher, as a parent - it take's an act of God to handle the problem because of the Teacher's Union's. Teacher's are Normally Democrate and so are most Newscasters. It seem's the two go hand in hand. And it seems since dealing personally with this, teacher's and how newscasters report on teachers, always get my attention.
I guess the only solution is to home school your child if you want a "fair and balanced" education.
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The Newscaster that got hand cuffed was John Zieler at the Katie Couric Cememony for the Palin Interview. Some of the stories have video.
The School in Washington DC has many stories on the Voucher's being taken away in whatever paper you choose to read.
And I do not remember the source of the report of Children and Parents upset how their children were taught during the election. And what some teachers did.
The main Point is, is that Children are in the class rooms with teacher's all day. They are a captive audience to that teacher and their teaching skills and their views. If you have a problem with a teacher, as a parent - it take's an act of God to handle the problem because of the Teacher's Union's. Teacher's are Normally Democrate and so are most Newscasters. It seem's the two go hand in hand. And it seems since dealing personally with this, teacher's and how newscasters report on teachers, always get my attention.
"Being a liberal means to me that I think for myself and make my own judgements."
Can someone tell me what I'm supposed to think about this statement? Afterall, I'm conservative and can't think for myself.
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I don't care if a teacher is liberal or conservative - I just want them to keep their personal views to themselves. And the last few years from the Professor in Colorado to grade school teacher's you saw them shoving their views down the throats of their captive audience. At lease the Media - you can shut them up with a touch of a button.
Very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. The brainwashing happens at the educational level.. both at school and by their home environment. By the time one is interested in watching the news media they have developed a "school of thought" if you will. Unfortunately, many kids at home with a lack of parenting are educated by television, ie. movies, cartoons, news, etc. Step back for a minute and ask, how many young kids with a lack of parental guidance have a conservative slant? How many young kids with a lack of parenting have a liberal slant?
In terms of television media, liberals have many choices. Conservatives typically turn on Fox to see the "Fair and balanced" choice. Hmmmm.. I wonder if the real meaning behind their "Fair and balanced" notion is really about bringing into the media a conservative slant in order to make an attempt to try balance our entire television media. Perhaps that is "Fair" and well.. it's still not balanced. So to answer the question, is it fair for Fox to brainwash? Speaking as a conservative wanting to see our country be more conservative.. ABSOLUTELY IT IS!
So because someone has different views from you they either had a lack of parenting or they were brainwashed by their school teachers? That absolves you of any blame for them turning out "that way"? Maybe children "become" liberal because they don't agree with the way their conservative parents make judgements about people that are different than themselves or don't have the same political views as them. Live and let live.
I didn't say someone with different views than me. I'll try to be more clear. The television media is extremely liberal.. not just news.. but movies (Hollywood), cartoons, etc. I may be a conservative but I don't agree with every politician or even at a particular point of time a specific conservative agenda. One thing I really find amusing, is how liberals claim to "think for themselves" while at the same time they claim conservatives "have their blinders on". But I really shouldn't find it amusing since even "Good Morning America" can actually brainwash some into that type of thinking.
Also, when did I bring "blaming" into this? If a child becomes a liberal adult, it's not the worst thing in the world. That statemement is hilarious. You make it sound like becoming a liberal is a negative thing.. using the word "blame". It's OK, really, it's OK to be liberal. No worries mate! I live next door to a liberal. He's also a Packer fan. And we get a long great!
And this whole "Truth" thing.. is somewhere in the middle? There is no "Truth" in the media. In my view, the only real "Truth' is our creator. You don't turn on the television to find "Truth". You may search for something that you find interesting or entertaining. And it may be more entertaining if it agrees with your personal interests.
I know - I am sorry - I get my sources from many areas - every day - I do not write them down and can not quote from area's - I voted Liberal until Clinton Lied. Probably will again some day depending on the Person.. Not All The People running whatever party is the best... Just the Best Person Wins... NewsPapers Fox On Line Newspapers --- I just get furious when Schools and Colleges Shove Views (mostly Liberal sided) instead of Facts, at a very early age. I have Dealt with the School System and I am here to tell you It is NOT easy... They forget that we as Taxpayers pay their wage. Bye the way my son Does have a Teaching Degree... Just Choose to not use it... It was in Special Ed. Their Loss. And Media has Not Helped - None Tell you the TRUTH. Both sides are to blame..The worst is the USA is dividing itself..Pretty sad in my world. Will get some of the info tomorrow for you...Where and What.. Dog got into Skunk and Horse got into Barbwire.. And Life goes on...
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Either the Media you watch did not report it or Since most teachers and Professors are Liberal, you did not see the Grade School teachers hounding the 3rd 4th 5th Graders on who to vote for. Or you just agreed they were right. New York in the poorest section and others - those kids were to believe life was to be totally different for them if Obama was elected. Although they could NOT vote it is brainwashing. I also watch some children that go to the same School as Obama's daughter's they have to drop out because Pelosi and gang took away the vouchers...They are devastated.
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VKO- Where is this information coming from? I would like to research these statements for myself. Also, what is the name of the journalist that was handcuffed outside Katie Couric's award ceremony?
Why do you think your son "turned out" liberal? Do you honestly believe he was brainwashed by the media and educators? I find it hard to believe it was from lack of parenting and according to jimmylikesvikes that's how you turn out liberal. awaiting your reply. This is fun when people are civil isn't it?
VKO I think what Stacyslap was asking about were your politcal sources not school sources. I agree completely that our school system is junk. More so the elementary system.
Some of my friends are extremely liberal while their parents are extremely conservative. Your son comes to mind. I know him well and I think he turned out very well.
I myself grew up in a split family, my mom is liberal and dad is conservative. I was able to see the world from both perspectives. To me being conservative means you live your life with blinders on.
Being different is okay. Not agreeing with what the general public is saying is okay. Being a liberal means to me that I think for myself and make my own judgements.
Back to the media, I was once in law enforcement and quickly learned that when 2 people tell you a story niether are true. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. I think it is important to look at the media in the same way. Watch your Fox and I'll watch my CNN but change the channel once in a while as I do and know that they both have there agenda. Somewhere in the middle is the truth , you just have to find it. (On CNN!)
Ryan
-- Edited by bohdan on Monday 20th of April 2009 10:11:13 PM
Oh Stacyslap...You really do not want me on this one... my son in Second Grade has his art taken away from him when he was too messy and stuck in a corner to face the wall for a very long time... He Peed his pants and was desvastated - we took it to the Williston Public School to move him out of the school to another one we were told we Could Not... I wanted to Press Charges My Husband said we would move him to the Catholic school. The Elementary Super tried to BS us...it got uglier than better... I KNOW about School Systems. I could give you Names Dates and What happened... Better left unsaid,,,, PS I did not know how many times this happen when Other Parents Came to us because their Straight A students were falling in Grades and Brought it to OUR Attention... And that is JUST Williston.
I don't care if a teacher is liberal or conservative - I just want them to keep their personal views to themselves. And the last few years from the Professor in Colorado to grade school teacher's you saw them shoving their views down the throats of their captive audience. At lease the Media - you can shut them up with a touch of a button.
Very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. The brainwashing happens at the educational level.. both at school and by their home environment. By the time one is interested in watching the news media they have developed a "school of thought" if you will. Unfortunately, many kids at home with a lack of parenting are educated by television, ie. movies, cartoons, news, etc. Step back for a minute and ask, how many young kids with a lack of parental guidance have a conservative slant? How many young kids with a lack of parenting have a liberal slant?
In terms of television media, liberals have many choices. Conservatives typically turn on Fox to see the "Fair and balanced" choice. Hmmmm.. I wonder if the real meaning behind their "Fair and balanced" notion is really about bringing into the media a conservative slant in order to make an attempt to try balance our entire television media. Perhaps that is "Fair" and well.. it's still not balanced. So to answer the question, is it fair for Fox to brainwash? Speaking as a conservative wanting to see our country be more conservative.. ABSOLUTELY IT IS!
So because someone has different views from you they either had a lack of parenting or they were brainwashed by their school teachers? That absolves you of any blame for them turning out "that way"? Maybe children "become" liberal because they don't agree with the way their conservative parents make judgements about people that are different than themselves or don't have the same political views as them. Live and let live.
Oh phooey JIb. Either the Media you watch did not report it or Since most teachers and Professors are Liberal, you did not see the Grade School teachers hounding the 3rd 4th 5th Graders on who to vote for. Or you just agreed they were right. New York in the poorest section and others - those kids were to believe life was to be totally different for them if Obama was elected. Although they could NOT vote it is brainwashing. When your in College - you pay for your own way if that is the College you have to attend. I also watch some children that go to the same School as Obama's daughter's they have to drop out because Pelosi and gang took away the vouchers...They are devastated.
And you can not tell me in this Day and age that Teachers and Professor's are JUST doing lesson's - they are throwing in their own Personal Opinions and Beliefs in their Lesson's - there lies the Problem. I don't pay for Teacher's Personal Opinion's - I Just Want Them To Teach the Lessons. No more or less.
-- Edited by vko on Monday 20th of April 2009 08:23:05 PM
VKO- Where in the world do you get your information? You see and hear stuff but you never cite sources. When was the last time you sat in on a classroom?
Oh phooey JIb. Either the Media you watch did not report it or Since most teachers and Professors are Liberal, you did not see the Grade School teachers hounding the 3rd 4th 5th Graders on who to vote for. Or you just agreed they were right. New York in the poorest section and others - those kids were to believe life was to be totally different for them if Obama was elected. Although they could NOT vote it is brainwashing. When your in College - you pay for your own way if that is the College you have to attend. I also watch some children that go to the same School as Obama's daughter's they have to drop out because Pelosi and gang took away the vouchers...They are devastated.
And you can not tell me in this Day and age that Teachers and Professor's are JUST doing lesson's - they are throwing in their own Personal Opinions and Beliefs in their Lesson's - there lies the Problem. I don't pay for Teacher's Personal Opinion's - I Just Want Them To Teach the Lessons. No more or less.
-- Edited by vko on Monday 20th of April 2009 08:23:05 PM
This thread becomes more hilarious as the days go on. "Brainwashing." Now that's entertainment at its finest.
I do have to reply on the comment about getting "brainwashed" at school and how it's such a bad thing. I honestly believe that the #1 purpose of an undergraduate college/university education (for someone right out of high school) is to develop yourself as a person, not necessarily for just educational purposes. I can tell you for a fact that I developed atleast 40% of my personality and ideals during my undergraduate studies. Exposure to numerous beliefs, religions, ideals, and cultures was just not available in Williston, ND.
Back to this "brainwashing" thing. That's a pretty ridiculous term to brand a professor or even a high school teacher with. I don't care how old you are, you take in the educational lessons at school and then take your own personal swing on them, and there is NO professor that will sit you down and "brainwash" ideals into your head... that job is for parents.
Children get more "brainwashing" from their parents telling them what to do and believe (religion, politics, ethics, ... schools to attend) before their 18 than any other time in their life.
There is a magic button that can silence all the "liberal brainwashing"... it's called the power button. It's shaped like a little circle with a line through it and can usually be found on the top of your remote control.
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I don't care if a teacher is liberal or conservative - I just want them to keep their personal views to themselves. And the last few years from the Professor in Colorado to grade school teacher's you saw them shoving their views down the throats of their captive audience. At lease the Media - you can shut them up with a touch of a button.
Very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. The brainwashing happens at the educational level.. both at school and by their home environment. By the time one is interested in watching the news media they have developed a "school of thought" if you will. Unfortunately, many kids at home with a lack of parenting are educated by television, ie. movies, cartoons, news, etc. Step back for a minute and ask, how many young kids with a lack of parental guidance have a conservative slant? How many young kids with a lack of parenting have a liberal slant?
In terms of television media, liberals have many choices. Conservatives typically turn on Fox to see the "Fair and balanced" choice. Hmmmm.. I wonder if the real meaning behind their "Fair and balanced" notion is really about bringing into the media a conservative slant in order to make an attempt to try balance our entire television media. Perhaps that is "Fair" and well.. it's still not balanced. So to answer the question, is it fair for Fox to brainwash? Speaking as a conservative wanting to see our country be more conservative.. ABSOLUTELY IT IS!
I don't care if a teacher is liberal or conservative - I just want them to keep their personal views to themselves. And the last few years from the Professor in Colorado to grade school teacher's you saw them shoving their views down the throats of their captive audience. At lease the Media - you can shut them up with a touch of a button.
Just glad to see that you agree the media (regardless of the station) is slanted (biased). At least it's a step in the right direction.
I don't think there is a dispute that the media has it's own intrepretation of what the news is and how to tell the story. I just want to know why the liberal media is bad and the conservative media is good.
It is because it is.... depending of course, on what your definition of the word "is"...is. And things of that ilk. ;o)
Just glad to see that you agree the media (regardless of the station) is slanted (biased). At least it's a step in the right direction.
I don't think there is a dispute that the media has it's own intrepretation of what the news is and how to tell the story. I just want to know why the liberal media is bad and the conservative media is good.
I will not allow any person to tell me what to watch nor allow any news origanization to show me what news they CHOOSE to report on...It is disgusting from all sides.. what is that called again... censorship (sp) Stop crying about the small stuff...and look at the big picture. If I had a do over...I would have checked out the colleges my son went to. Just to make sure his teachers weren't Brainwashing him.. Like our Media is.
Why isn't that censorship. (Choosing your son's college for him) I could say the same thing when it comes time for my children to go to college. I wouldn't want them to be brainwashed by a conservative professor. Maybe the colleges are giving the people what they want. Why won't you consider the possibility that Fox News also brainwashes people. It does work both ways even though most of you won't admit that. Why are your conservative views right and your son's wrong?
Jimmy, in refernece to Fox and their high ratings, compaatively how many people are watching the "liberal" media, CNN, NBC, etc, all together? Since the conservatives only have one choice in the news they can watch to have it "slanted" to their beliefs I think the grand total of people watching the other channels should be considered as they may prefer one "bias" over another.
Just glad to see that you agree the media (regardless of the station) is slanted (biased). At least it's a step in the right direction.
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I will not allow any person to tell me what to watch nor allow any news origanization to show me what news they CHOOSE to report on...It is disgusting from all sides.. what is that called again... censorship (sp) Stop crying about the small stuff...and look at the big picture. If I had a do over...I would have checked out the colleges my son went to. Just to make sure his teachers weren't Brainwashing him.. Like our Media is.
Why isn't that censorship. (Choosing your son's college for him) I could say the same thing when it comes time for my children to go to college. I wouldn't want them to be brainwashed by a conservative professor. Maybe the colleges are giving the people what they want. Why won't you consider the possibility that Fox News also brainwashes people. It does work both ways even though most of you won't admit that. Why are your conservative views right and your son's wrong?
Jimmy, in refernece to Fox and their high ratings, compaatively how many people are watching the "liberal" media, CNN, NBC, etc, all together? Since the conservatives only have one choice in the news they can watch to have it "slanted" to their beliefs I think the grand total of people watching the other channels should be considered as they may prefer one "bias" over another.
I will not allow any person to tell me what to watch nor allow any news origanization to show me what news they CHOOSE to report on...It is disgusting from all sides.. what is that called again... censorship (sp) Stop crying about the small stuff...and look at the big picture. If I had a do over...I would have checked out the colleges my son went to. Just to make sure his teachers weren't Brainwashing him.. Like our Media is.
I cannot believe this debate still exists. I thought it was "OK" that the media is liberal and we all accepted that fact. All you need to do is go to college and sit in a journalism class. Then come back to this thread and tell me the media isn't liberal... C'mon.... Steve is right on. Fox tries to stand up for the conservatives more than other stations.. which is probably the reason behind their high ratings. Just ask the media if the media is liberal.... oh wait.. that probably won't work.
Actually, I've been pretty vocal here about my opinion of subjective journalism. I've made the sentiment many times that guys like Hannity and Olbermann are spreading more hate than they are anything else.
Is there much difference between a slant and a bias? If there is I guess I would consider a slant perhaps slightly less biased than an actual bias. So then, yes, Fox News is slanted, meaning they are slightly less biased than the other channels. Here's the difference, remove the subjective journalism, ie Olbermann and Hannity, and lets talk about actual News. For example, when Fox reports news items such as the tea party or the spendulus, the actual news pieces don't show the slant. Whereas when you watch NBC and CNN they choose not to cover what makes Obama look bad.
What irritates me the most is how the media giants can manipulate public opinions.
ps...I'm not doing a very good job if your only mildly amused.
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I don't get the double standard. Why is it OK for "your" preferred news channel, among other sources of news, to lean to the right but it's not OK for other sources to lean to the left. I think most news sources are there for entertainment. There in lies the problem. Depending on their own view of the world, ie liberal or conservative, people take what is said as gospel without looking at it with a different angle. If I agree with it and it fits my view it must be true. That is scary.
Steve, I find it midly amusing that it's bias when you're talking about left wing media but it's only a slant when you're talking about the right wing media. Also, is Fox news really fair and balanced if it has a right wing slant? Why don't you have a problem with them leaning right with their coverage of the "news"?
Hi: Nice to see a new poster on the page...the left wing bias of the general media is an inescapabable fact....NBC CBS MSNBC CNN HEADLINE NEWS....you name it....same talking heads. If you are a liberal you will see the same thing on each channel, it must get old, even to the Libs...so they watch Fox for entertainment since it is the only channel leaning the other way. Of course they lean to the right, and are proud of it....the Fair and balanced slogan is a little humorous in the context you use though. They should probably change it to "More fair and balanced than all the rest". On the other hand...they are head and shoulders above the others in the ratings....must be a reason for that... again....welcome for the input. ;o) R
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Jibslider wrote: A crying baby will eventually stop crying if you ignore it, but it will remain to be hungry if you don't feed it.
Ahh Jib....we been feeding those babies to the tune of billions of dollars....and they are still crying like babies...
I really don't think the 80 year old abortion clinic protesting woman is going to be charged under "Homeland security Law"... unless maybe she has brown skin and is wearing a turban. I guess that would more specifically raise eyebrows under Rumsfeld's "Patriot" Act...
What you say makes sense in a normal world Dude.....but there is nothing that would surprise me from the cuurent administration.... shoot! When the Head of Homeland Security equates the northern border with the southern border...the flags really went up in my mind...
Katie Couric was receiving an award that nite for her "wonderful interview with Sara Palin" Guess what a Fox interviewer was hand cuffed outside the site did not make it into the building.. He was put down on the ground and move away from her award site..In Hand Cuffs. I don't care if your right wing or left wing. That was just wrong. If you did not see it I guess the Main Stream Media just didn't think you should know or it fit into their beliefs. You think you have Freedom of Speech - pay attention I believe it is being taken away slowly and without you knowing about it. If it fits in your belief - then your welcome to speak - if it doesn't your get hand cuffed. A little scarey in my world. It is not about Right Wing or Left Wing - it is about being an American - and our Rights are disappearing before our eye's - and people are not paying attention. And Jib I do believe President Bush had a Building or two blown up and a plane crash within his New days of being President.. That became a Whole New Day.
-- Edited by vko on Friday 17th of April 2009 06:39:04 PM
-- Edited by vko on Friday 17th of April 2009 06:49:46 PM
I saw it too. Also heard that our President Obama is more worried about US terrorist's than Outside the US... Which means an 80 year old woman protesting outside an abortion clinic could be charged under that Homeland Security Law. Maybe I should call Obama our King Obama or the Chosen one. When is that leader going to start staying home and do something instead of flipping all over the world cause he has his own private jet. He may be our President but I am disgusted with him and he has done everything he said he would do and more. I for one am not impressed and won't waste one second of my time watching abc nbc cbs cnn...they are digging their own grave. And it can't be soon enough for me.
Come on now, this is just ridiculous. It's not like Obama is pub crawling around the world in his stretch Air Force One Hummer. The job description of "President of the United States" involves international relations. Just because the previous administration forgot that part of the job, shouldn't mean that the current administration should follow suit. Building bridges is, and should be a huge part of Obama's agenda. In case you haven't noticed, there is alot of animosity from all corners of the world due to the bridges the former administration burnt. Sending an apologetic greeting card or fruit cake just doesn't cut it, face to face civil discussions are the only way the rest of the world will welcome us back... as long as the superiority complex is checked at the door. I think Obama is moving foreign policy in the correct direction by actually meeting with nations that we have traditionally disagreed with. A crying baby will eventually stop crying if you ignore it, but it will remain to be hungry if you don't feed it.
I really don't think the 80 year old abortion clinic protesting woman is going to be charged under "Homeland security Law"... unless maybe she has brown skin and is wearing a turban. I guess that would more specifically raise eyebrows under Rumsfeld's "Patriot" Act...
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Steve, I find it midly amusing that it's bias when you're talking about left wing media but it's only a slant when you're talking about the right wing media. Also, is Fox news really fair and balanced if it has a right wing slant? Why don't you have a problem with them leaning right with their coverage of the "news"?
Ryan, my thoughts on Fox News are that it certainly has a right wing slant to it. But I don't think I would agree that it is the most radical. There are far more liberal minded people that are actual Fox analysts than there are conservative on CNN or any of the NBC networks. Besides Pat Buchanon on MSNBC and Lou Dobbs on CNN, how many more Republicans can you name on either NBC or CNN w/out googling?
Now take a look at Fox, they have several on from the NPR, Greta van Sustern (sp) is liberal. Alan Colmes was liberal. And many times you'll see two attractive women debating issues and one will be conservative and one will be liberal. If you can get past the good looks you'll see it.
Each station DOES have radical reporters. Hannity versus Olberman versus Matthews. Just to name some examples.
Nonetheless, Fox does have a right wing slant and...and...it's ratings are far, far better than any other news channel.... nyah, nyah, nuh, boo boo.
But again, the coverage of the tea parties really spelled it out yesterday. Absolutely no respect for those protestors. I don't recall a Fox News correspondent ever going on the attack against a liberal protest.
ps...Alan Colmes leaving Fox was no different than Beck leaving MSNBC.
pss...you're not the only liberal here...Jib's got your back homey.
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Really guys, obviously I am the only "left wing" democrat in the room. Fox news is the most radical news program on the air. I agree that most other news programs lean towards the left but Fox is so anti Obama they can't have any news that isn't negative towards him.
Obama is going around the world trying to fix what the Bush boys messed up. What is wrong with our President talking to other leaders.
VKO I don't think that an 80 year old protesting at an abortion clinic is going to be charged for it. If she is charged' she was doing something other than protesting.
I agree with you Steve that the "mob" shouldn't have barged into the room while the former congressman was talking about in state benefits to unlawful immigrants. It's not a good way to get your point across.
Good topic guys, Have a great night.
-- Edited by bohdan on Thursday 16th of April 2009 09:26:06 PM
-- Edited by bohdan on Thursday 16th of April 2009 09:28:46 PM
I saw it too. Also heard that our President Obama is more worried about US terrorist's than Outside the US... Which means an 80 year old woman protesting outside an abortion clinic could be charged under that Homeland Security Law. Maybe I should call Obama our King Obama or the Chosen one. When is that leader going to start staying home and do something instead of flipping all over the world cause he has his own private jet. He may be our President but I am disgusted with him and he has done everything he said he would do and more. I for one am not impressed and won't waste one second of my time watching abc nbc cbs cnn...they are digging their own grave. And it can't be soon enough for me.
I can't help it, I have to ask the question. Everyone who reads this knows I'm very critical of the media. Did anyone else recognize the blatent partisan reporting that went on during the protests? I truly believe the networks showed their true colors yesterday. If anyone thinks there is still an arguement about left wing bias in the media I think it's time we had a talk. NBC news reporters arguing with protesters. CNN reporters arguing with protesters. These weren't "interviews" they were on the street debates. I felt bad for the guy holding his two year old when the CNN lady reporter got in his face.
As far as the manner in which conservatives and liberals protest. Yesterday was a perfect day to compare the two. The tea parties were mild mannered and controlled. The people were respectful. But then we have a liberal protest on the campus of UNC. Can you believe the nerve of these people? In case you didn't see it, a mob of students forced their way into a building that was already maxed in capacity and proceded to march right on into a classroom and very rudely interrupted a session being held by a republican senator.
Did anyone else see these events unfold differently?
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