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Looks like this won't happen.  Besides Faahv is tewwibo.  He's a tewwibo, tewwibo quahtahback.  The vikings would have been a tewwibo, tewwibo football team with him.

For those of you who frequent the PA show on KFAN.

Remember this conversation? 

Bro, how bout Rosenfels AND FAV-RA?

It's just going to a bigger mess than last season for Fav-ra. If the Jets release him and he becomes a FA, then they won't get anything in return. If someone is willing to pick him up, then they will have the $13 million hanging over their head. Is he worth $13 mil. Absolutely Not. He should prolly go ahead and retire. Which is what I think he will do now. 

You didn't answer my questions, Gaylen.  What they need is a mentor for JD Booty. 

Jim and I both agree that Favre wouldn't be bad to have as long as he checked his ego at the door, stayed out of any personal offices, and spent time with the team, and accepted the fact that he's a mere "serviceable" backup at this stage in the game.  But there's no way that will happen.  He'll retire before ever doing any of that. 

It's going to be interesting to see how Booty develops this off-season.

Personally, I don't believe the Vikings would have been better with Brett.  He had one of the best ground attacks to work with and two very good receivers to throw to and he still stunk up the league.  His players didn't like him because he's become bigger than the game.  Add all that to the fact that Vikings fans despise him anyways and you have a recipe for another 6-10 season as compared to the 10-6 season we ended up with. 

How can Vikings fans complain about a 10-6 season?  T-Jack looked pretty good when he got back into the game.  He had a shaky first half of that playoff game but other than that he did quite well of only starting in his second full season.  Regular season he had 9 touchdowns and only 2 picks.  Not a scoring machine at this stage by any means but he's not out there making stupid mistakes either.  His completion percentage improved.  His yards per completion improved. 

Would they have been better with Warner or even Tyler Thigpen?  Absolutely, but certainly not with Favre.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Team is too good to let the QB hold you back.  Gotta give the Vikes credit for making the move early rather then waiting until they are way out of the play offs.

All you T-Jack lovers out there, I would not worry too much I would be willing to bet he sees the field again this year.

Well. That didn't take long for T-Jacks demotion. "Get on the bus Gus."

First of all, Vikings fans at the metrodump can be complete idiots.  I don't care how bad T-Jack may look, it doesn't help a qb in his second year as a starter when he get's booed every incomplete pass he makes. 

Only reason the Colts have a week o-line is because their center, guy by the name of Saturday, is injured.  They have a second year tackle that was abused pretty good early on by Allen but just about anyone against Allen is going to lose more than not.

Vikings defense and special teams took Indy by surprise the firt 2 quarters of the game.  We started with tremendous field position darn near every time we got the ball.  We simply could not get the ball in the endzone.  Who's fault was that?  Not sure.  I'm sure some can be placed on the qb, the coaches, AND the o-line.  Fact is, the offense wasn't on the field as much as the defense and it showed mid-way through the third quarter.  That's when Dungy started coaching, Manning started throwing, Wayne started catching, and our defense plain ran outta gas.  Not to mention, the ex-Packer field goal kicker bit us in the arse.  

I gotta give these guys some credit though.  They gradually show me more and more each game.  They played like champions for more than 2 quarters this weekend and if they continue to improve on that will be very tough to beat.......eventually. 

Packers play surprised me.  They let the Lions back into that game.  Give the Lions a savvy quarterback that doesn't make as many mistakes as Kitna does, and I think you'll see a different outcome of that game.  Funny to say though, I was tickled pink to see two touchdowns out of my fantasy football defense. .  

Favre?  Favre who?

Speaking of football...good call Saturday, Jeremy.  Jason and I tried to keep the kids excited about the game but it was obvious that quite a number of kids were not thrilled about being soaked and cold.  Not to mention the coaches.   Nice job!

-- Edited by Steve Powell at 15:01, 2008-09-15

Packers definitely have a great team.  However, considering how badly the Vikings played, they almost beat the Packers at their home.  Aaron Rodgers looked good.  Rodgers looked good in what little we saw of him last year.  Would I trade Rodgers for T-Jack?  As of right now?  Darn right I would.   Rodgers was predicted to be a top ten draft pick whereas T-Jack was estimated around 3rd or 4th round draft pick.   Thus, T-Jack was considered one of those "projects" pick.   So time will tell how good of a "project" T-Jack is.  Personally I'm running out of patience with this guy.  But I have to give him at least another 3  games before I make the decision to put in Gus... I wish I had the power to do that .  I'll put my "Get on the bus, Gus" announcement out there in another three games if his performance doesn't improve.   I know I'm not ready to call out Booty.. and please no Booty jokes .

Many of you seem very concerned about stats and numbers.  The only numbers that matter is Wins and Loses.  I am a huge Favre fan.  I will cheer loudly for him while he is with the Jets.  The great thing about Brett was when he was in there you always had a chance to win.  From day one.  The team followed him and sometimes he made the dumbest throws, but at other times me made playes that seemed impossible. 

Brett could just "manage" a game, he proved it last year.  But he could also win games for you.  He has proved that his whole career.

T-JAck has only proved that he canmake plays with his feet.

Honestly Viking fans.  Who would give the vikings a better chance of winning a superbowl T-Jack or Aaron Rodgers.

There have been many QB's that have worn purple that I have feared (Culpepper, Cunningham, Moon, etc)  Jackson just is not one of them.

A couple of thoughts...first two relate to the Vikings
1. How did the o-line play look?
2. Was there any creativity in the play calling?
3.  Aside from the one td to Cotchery, what did Brett do the rest of the day and who were they playing against?

-- Edited by Steve Powell at 09:15, 2008-09-11

Steve Powell wrote:

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J-E-T-S  Jets! Jets! Jets!

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Remember this post?

I know youa re bummed Steve. Sorry that your Vikes weren't able to pull the right strings to bring in Favre. Oh well. No Super Bowl for your Vikes after all.

And on my fantasy football team.

Rudi is going to be a S-T-U-D this year.  Two above average receivers.  Not bad on offense.

-- Edited by SKM at 03:49, 2008-09-02

Only if a good veteran QB is at the healm. Not gonna happen with what you have now. Superbowl is a stretch Jimmy. Playoffs? Maybe...

Jimmylikesvikes wrote:

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Man.. I've been saying Favre won't be a Viking up until today.  It sounds as though the Packers are backed into a corner and the Packers may be willing to consider letting Brett go to the Vikings.  It kind of makes sense..Packers can't find a trade deal on a player with a few years left in the tank... they'll be forced to release him or trade with the Vikes.

Don't tell me the NFL wouldn't want one of the biggest stories, most hyped Monday Night Football games to ever be played.  The day Brett was going to have his jersey retired Brett plays for the Vikings on MNF against the Pack!  WOW!  That would be awesome!

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/26091949.html

I like T-Jack.. but the MNF game alone would be worth it all!

Other Favre to Vikings news:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Urlacher-on-Favre-No-to-Bears-maybe-to-Vikings?urn=nfl,97675

Ulacher's neck surgery must have cut a few nerves too many... Bears have 2 good QBs?  uhhhhh....rrrrrrrright.  

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Orton isn't a stand out stat machine but he certainly doesn't give the ball away much.  You don't need Brett Favre to have  superbowl contender.  The key to winning is 1. Don't turn the ball over to the other team  and 2. Take the ball away from the other team as much as you can.  

In my opinion the offensive line is way more important than the qb.  You build a solid front 5 and your qb will find an open man eventually.  I don't believe we've had the best pass blocking team and tjack was forced to make bad throws his first year.  Keep building the o-line for him and I seriously think he'll be fine.  Again...8-4 and improvement towards the end of the year.

Not only that but Childress (Bevell) needs to make some good calls this year.  No more run left, run left, 7 yard slant, run left run left, blah blah blah. 

Sounds like Jared Allen is going to be in some 2 tight end sets in goal line situations. 

If the defense can win the field position battle then an interception or two a game won't be as devestating.

Yes, I could go on with football cliche's all day.

Yeah? So? What would make this year different than the past couple then? 

Man.. I've been saying Favre won't be a Viking up until today.  It sounds as though the Packers are backed into a corner and the Packers may be willing to consider letting Brett go to the Vikings.  It kind of makes sense..Packers can't find a trade deal on a player with a few years left in the tank... they'll be forced to release him or trade with the Vikes.

Don't tell me the NFL wouldn't want one of the biggest stories, most hyped Monday Night Football games to ever be played.  The day Brett was going to have his jersey retired Brett plays for the Vikings on MNF against the Pack!  WOW!  That would be awesome!

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/26091949.html

I like T-Jack.. but the MNF game alone would be worth it all!

Other Favre to Vikings news:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Urlacher-on-Favre-No-to-Bears-maybe-to-Vikings?urn=nfl,97675

Ulacher's neck surgery must have cut a few nerves too many... Bears have 2 good QBs?  uhhhhh....rrrrrrrright.  

OK. We agree that Favre would be better at QB NOW than TJ. The Vikes, as a team, are ready. Couldn't be any more ready...wellll...QB is still an issue. Football is a sport where you CAN NOT say, "There's always next season." The constant pounding on the body, the injuries. Not too many players are the same after a couple of hard seasons. I'm not talking about TJ. It's the rest of the team that has to do all the work. The expectations of TJ are HUGE right now. I'm going to say he is going to let a lot of people down, and really, it won't be his fault. He's just too inexperienced right now and "Later." doesn't work in the NFL. TJ may be a star someday, but it won't be this season.  He needs to marinate a little longer. Unfortunately. The Vikes don't have that much time. TJ is walking into something that is actually too good.

grc

Steve Powell wrote:

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J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets!

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 I agree 100% GO JETS!!!!

Favre had a great year last year.  No doubt about that.  
Travaris started 2 games his first year.  He started 12 games last year.  He's only started 14 games.  Anybody who makes the claim that Tarvaris will never be a "star" is simply following the same mistake people made regarding Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Brett Favre.. this list goes on and on.  Favre started out playing for Atlanta.  He played only one game but threw 2 interceptions out of 4 attempts and did not complete any of those attempts.... hmmmm.  The following year he went to Green Bay and played pretty darn well.     Also, QBs with or without experience can have poor or average years for multiple reasons.  Take for instance Brett Favre.  Favre's QB rating in 2005, even with several years of experience were exactly the same as Tarvaris last year's QB rating.  Favre's QB rating the following year 2006 was not much better.  Thus, Favre had two consecutive years pretty much matching Tarvaris's last year's QB rating.  Now sure..  Favre has had great years and great moments winning games in last minute situations.  And the Packers have a SB ring with Favre (dang it hurts saying that).    So the argument as to whether Tarvaris is the better starter over Brett or even if Aaron Rogers is better over Brett is rediculous.  The answer is: nobody knows.  However, if you really take a brief look at the statistics and overall pure experience.   The Vikings would be crazy not to allow Brett to start as QB just as the PACKERS ARE CRAZY not letting Brett back to be the starter.  And honestly, I think coach Childress would take Brett in a heartbeat if the NFL gave Favre free permission to shop for a team.  Favre does want to be a Viking... we all know that now.  And most smart Viking fans would welcome him to wear purple.  By the way, purple is a color that signifies royalty.. and that fits Favre just as it fits the Vikes

What will happen to Brett?  I don't know, but I'm sure glad he's currently not starting for the Packers.  Something tells me all that will change and he'll be back with the Packers.  I just don't believe Packers management won't take him back and start him.. that's just crazy.

Here ya go.  As much as I disagree with this guy...he hit the nail on the head with this one.