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Are you surprised Conrad is supporting Obama? [7 vote(s)]

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RE: Not totally Williston Related but....


LOL!!!  You could have used my avatar after that statement!  Moowaahhhahhahhaaa!!!  Moowaahhhahhahhaa!!!


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 That's the downside of Lieberman....

Hey.....maybe it is a vast left wing conspiracy and Lieberman is a mole.  He lost his support as a Dem, then ran as an independent, because the Dems had the foresight to see McCain was the "man" for 2008 elections, and figured if Lieberman got tight with him, got the nod for VP,  then when McCain was elected (presuming he beat their guy for the top spot), and died in office because he is "old", Lieberman would get the spot....so in the end, they would win either way....

To quote Barney Fife......'and it was alllll part of the plan'....

How' s that for a convoluted thought process...?

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I know exactly where your going with the Leiberman thought.  I have also thought that would be a winning ticket.  But there are both pros and cons with that ticket.  The pros are obvious, they are both as close to the middle as anyone or closer.  They bring a very good balance.  The cons as far as Republicans are concerned are 1.  neither are true conservatives and 2. with McCain as old as he is are Republicans really prepared to face the fact that a former Democrat would take over office. 

I think McCain stands an even better chance now with the bickering that has taken place between Obama and Clinton and now with the fact that Nador is throwing his name in the hat again that should pull some votes away from the Democrat nominee.

I only saw a short amount but it appeared last nights debate between Clinton and Obama was far more civil than those in the recent past. 



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Wellll....I like Mike.  I like most of his ideas (but not all).  He's a southern Baptist minister.  I'm Southern Baptist.  I have one uncle, and three first cousins who are Baptist Ministers.

I like Chuck. Chuck is from Oklahoma. I'm from Oklahoma.

The problem is, he's not electable.  The only way the Repubs are gonna keep the White House is if there is some major compromise; fruitcakes and regular people are gonna have to come together.

Mike is not the guy who can do it.  Too polarizing.

So, in a nutshell, I would, but I can't, so I won't.

Have not thought about running mates yet, kinda wanna see what the Dems do and who gets the spot...  Radical though it might sound....Joe L might be worth taking a look at....for several reasons.


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Randy, would you have voted for Huckabee?  Who do you think will be McCain's running mate?

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could not resist chiming in.....talk about killing the geese that lay the golden eggs.

As a small business owner, I have already been watching closely, and in any event, it looks like either democratic candidate successfully winning the White House is going to REALLY impact my business in a substantial way, and not on the good side.

I could go on and on and on....yada yada yada, but talk about whistling into the wind.

Still waiting on a comprehensive plan for the country from Obama... Hope is not enough....I tell my taekwondo students there is always hope, and there is....  but the reality is that hope and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffe, but is not enough for a tip too.  So far it really has been all talk coming from his camp, but nothing of substance.  Not to mention that campaign promises will go out the window as soon as he sets foot in the WH.  There is no way he is going to be able to all of a sudden work miracles...of course this holds true for both sides of the political spectrum.   And of course it will all be Bush's fault, right?

;o)

 

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Here's some more, how much more do you want to pay in taxes?

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Monday, February 11, 2008

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Obama, the Very-High-Tax Candidate   [Larry Kudlow]

To the casual reader of the primary and caucus results of this past weekend, Obama is just creaming Hillary. This race won’t be over until the returns are in from Texas and Ohio next month and Pennsylvania in April. After that, the super-delegates will have to make up their minds. But right now, Hillary is just getting whooped. That’s the long and short of it. (Plus, she just fired her campaign manager.)

This is disturbing news on the taxation front. The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore says Obama’s tax plan would add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax. In other words, Sen. Obama is a very-high-tax candidate. Whether Wall Street has fully discounted this, I have no idea. Probably not yet. But somebody in the investor class ought to be thinking about it, because it’s not good.

Interestingly, at least two of Obama’s top economic advisors — Austan Goolsbee and Jeffrey Liebman — are highly regarded free-market economists. Goolsbee from Chicago, Liebman from Harvard. But somehow their candidate has a very punitive high-tax campaign plan for the economy. I don’t know all the details on Hillary’s tax plan, but I don’t think she is yet in favor of lifting the payroll tax cap, as Obama is. And I think she’d keep cap gains at 20 percent. But none of this is any good.



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Obama best be careful when talking about our miltary.

Obama lies during Texas debate about U.S. soldiers


By: John Keitel

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During last nights debate in Texas Barack Obama told a story about a rifle platoon going to Afghanistan. Obama spoke about what he called “the single most important foreign policy decision of this generation, whether or not to go to war in Iraq.” Obama believes he has the judgment to be commander-in-chief, after lies like this the people will not. Obama goes on to say, “It has diverted attention from Afghanistan where al Qaeda, that killed 3,000 Americans, are stronger now than anytime since 2001.” First two lies, Afghanistan is now a UN obligation and there problem is the Taliban not al Qaeda, they are in the Pakistan Tribal area. Obama went on to say “I heard from an army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon, supposed to have 39 men in rifle platoon ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq. And as a consequence they did not have enough ammunition. They didn’t have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons then it was for them to get properly equiped by our current Commander-in-Chief. Now that a consequence of bad judgment.”

3rd lie - 15 men were reasigned 12 were replaced in Afghanistan.

4th lie - They were not able to use some live fire weapons during exercises in the United States because of ammo, but did live fire train in Afghanistan. Obama made this to sound like they were in combat without ammo.

5th lie - They did capture, how you do this without equipment Obama did not say, Taliban weapons and used them. Not because it was easier but the soldiers were doing what soldiers do in every war, capture weapons and use them to kill the enemy.

6th lie - They had 3 of 4 humvees and did use other vehicles. This is a rifle platoon that is a LIGHT infantry unit to remain agile to work in the mountains.

7th lie - This incident took place during 2003, four years ago! Obama did talk to this captain, but the captain never told his story to Obama but to a staffer. Again Obama made this sound like it was currently happening.

8th lie - This was a bad JUDGMENT on Obama’a part. You do not tell lies about the soldiers it will bite you back.

How many lies can one candidate tell in one answer, EIGHT. This gaff will harm and haunt the Obama campaign.

NBC Evening News was playing damage control tonight. Brian Williams explained “There are specific GAPS, but the story largely holds up.” and Lee Cowan said “The sum of the overall story is still the same.” This sound like the CBS story on fake G.W. Bush documents during his National Guard service. Dan Rather lost his job over the proved fake documents created in Word, lets make sure Barack Obama does not get a job, especially Commander-in-Chief.

This proves that Obama does NOT have the judgment to be President of the United States.

Obama’s Comments start at 3:30 min.



-- Edited by Steve Powell at 09:41, 2008-02-24

-- Edited by Steve Powell at 09:45, 2008-02-24

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In hindsite so far...is Obama's success surprising anyone of you?

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  Yep...I so agree with you!!!  Thanking you!!  biggrin

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Heck! It is perfectly fine to debate and talk about these things....and I was not trying to offend or attack you.  

This stuff is good to discuss....there are so many perspectives...

Civility is the key, and Jeremy,  keep on posting your ideas....

I have lots of experience talking about some of this stuff...direct result of not having much of a life, I guess...so any time you can catch me uhhh.....offguard, it is quite alright....so much more the power to you.

I'm a big boy, and I confess to having been wrong two or three times in my lifetime.

Persuade me with logic.... and I'll change my song...

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Hey Jeremy, vote for Randy. wink

I used to be thin skinned too, but being a Vikings fan, you get over that pretty quick. 

I think Dakotadj gave some very good insight on Obama.  Re-read his post to see if that doesn't help.

I have a difficult time voting Democrat because I don't agree with giving money from people who work their butts off to people that take advantage of the system although I don't have a problem helping children out that are in dire conditions as they did not choose to be in those situations.  A perfect example is this upcoming potential rebate the government wants to send out.  The house passed this without issue, but congress has added amendments one of which would actually give rebates to "tax paying illegal immigrants".  Umm...what's wrong with this picture?  How the hell did illegal immigrants get around to paying taxes?  Are they filing in April too?  Well, that's beside the point, my point is that the Democrats seem to be ok with giving these illegal immigrants our hard earned money, and that's a VERY tough pill for me to swallow.

When you make your decision, Jeremy, you'll have every right to come out here and tell us who you think we should vote for.  This is the real reason our men and women are out there protecting our freedom.

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Thank you Randy you have proven that their is no substatute for wisdom and experience.

I admit I can be a little thin skinned.

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Touche' Jeremy.  But it is okay to try to persuade people to vote on this forum.... that's half the fun.  As long as it remains civil.

Insofar as those gas guzzling, suv's and such....you should try hauling 8 or 9 kids to Billings, or Fargo, or Bismarck in mid-winter, every other weekend, year in and year out, when you never know what the weather is going to do, in a minivan or Geo Metro or something;  I bet you would go out and buy the first one of these big bustards you could find, and as quickly as you could...

and that is the voice of experience speaking.... 

;o)

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But since we are on the subject of oil...


Oil makes those Escalades/Ford F350s/and all of those other huge vehicles go Vroom, Vroom.  So next time you jump in your gas hog be sure to think of all men and women that are risking there life so you can drive a vehicle that gets 6 miles to the gallon.

I have not tried to sway people which way to vote, only to vote!








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I guess the difference between me a a couple of you is that I am not trying to tell you who to vote for.  Again i have not decided who I am going to vote for so I would definitly not try to tell somebody else who to vote for.  But some of you have no problem telling me who not to vote for.

But since we are on the subject of oil...


Oil makes those Escalades/Ford F350s/and all of those other huge vehicles go Vroom, Vroom.  So next time you jump in your gas hog be sure to think of all men and women that are risking there life so you can drive a vehicle that gets 6 miles to the gallon.

I have not tried to sway people which way to vote, only to vote!

Before I moved here a friend of mine originally from Scobey MT told me that any Democrates Name is a swear word in the MonDak Region.  Aparently so.  I never told anybody to vote for anybody.  I just listed some simularities between two men, nothing more nothing less.




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You Go Girl!  Got that right....  ;o)

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 OMG...I can not believe that any NoDaks disagree on this subject!!  Expecially up here in Oil country!!  What the hell... you bitch and moan about oil but soo want food to feed the World!!   Well....Dah....Farm Equipment requires...oh let me guess... OIL!!!   Lesson 101... oil makes motors go verrrom... verrrrom... our men, are out everyday putting their lives on the line to get that oil!!  Women too!!!   Give me a break!!!   You all back Obama and you'll be bitching!! 







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 OMG...I can not believe that any NoDaks disagree on this subject!!  Expecially up here in Oil country!!  What the hell... you bitch and moan about oil but soo want food to feed the World!!   Well....Dah....Farm Equipment requires...oh let me guess... OIL!!!   Lesson 101... oil makes motors go verrrom... verrrrom... our men, are out everyday putting their lives on the line to get that oil!!  Women too!!!   Give me a break!!!   You all back Obama and you'll be bitching!! 

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confusedBut what about separation of "politics and NFL"?confused

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OK Jeremy.  Good points on the comparisons.  But I think you'll eventually see what I mean, especially once things become more intense after the primaries are finished (assuming Obama wins).   But as a Viking fan, I have to ask:

How many Superbowl rings does Obama have!  OK.. that makes no sense.. but usually after debating with a Packer fan, that's what I keep hearing over and  over and over again.  smile.gif

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I guess i should have been more clear.  JFK new this was a great counrty with great people.  It was a tough time when JFK became president.  But he had  message of hope.  He knew that the tough times were just an oppertunity for the American people to show how great this country was.  I just get that same feeling form Obama. 

Yes I know all presidents believe in the people ( at least they all say they do).

Do not take this as me trying to sway votes, i have no idea who i am going to vote for.  Take this for what it is a Packer Fan proving a Vikins fan wrong again.  Just Kidding Jim.

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Now Jim, before you reply to this post, understand that Jeremy is a Pa**ers fan and is from Wisconsin, so go easy  wink

Thanks for the post Jeremy, I appreciate you putting your opinion out there. 

My only thoughts at this point are that I think most presidents believe in the people.  They all say they are for the middle class, both sides. But I, like you, think the one guy right now (not that I really care tremendously about any of them) that will get some things accomplished is McCain.  The reason being that he may have Leiberman as his running mate.  Between McCain and Leiberman they should be able to get the support from congress regardless of the majority. 

But again, I don't really agree with everything McCain stands for either.  This is a tough year to decide. 

GET OUT AND VOTE!!! 

THANKS AGAIN JEREMY!!   GO GIANTS!!!

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I normally stay out of the political avenue, but i will give it a shot.

I do not know a lot about Obama and JFK was dead for more then 10 years before i was born but I can come up with a few comparisons

JFK was a minority, 1st ever Catholic President
Obama is a Minority, Maybe 1st ever non "white" president.

JFK was 43 when he became president
Obama would be  47 if he became president
Both were young (by the way both are first term senators)

Both Men went to harvard

The one thing JFK believed more then anything else was the belief in the American People.  He belived this and he made everybody else feel the same way.  I get that same feeling from Obama.

Now saying all of this, I have to admit I am intreged by Obama.  I have not decided who i want to vote for.  I am all over the place.  I think McCain can bring stability, I like Rudy's Common Sense, and looking strictly from a fiscal angle nobody has a better record then Ron Paul. 

Like JFK I am an Irish Catholic.  My favorite uncle is named John F. Mulcahy.  I was brought up to believe that he was a great man.  I am not saying that Obama is better or the same as JFK.  I am just saying that their are simularities.

I do not care who you vote for, JUST GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!


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Jimmylikesvikes wrote:

I didn't actually know JFK as I was only about 3 months old when JFK died. However, what I do know of JFK, Obama is no JFK smile.gif. How about a poll asking if this comparison of JFK to Obama has any logic to it whatsoever? smile.gif



Hey jimmylikesvikes:

that was a pretty good paraphrase; reminds me of old Loyd Bentsens dig at Dan Quayle back in the day... it really was funny....scored one for the Dems back then....
'Son, I knew JFK.  JFK was a friend of mine....you're no JFK', at least that's how I remember it.

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Thanks Randy.  You make a very good point.  Part of the reason for starting this message board was so we had a place that we could look more for things we'd like to read and more easily be able to skip what we don't want to read. 

Although I may have made a "message board faux paux" by not putting in the actual subject to this thread hmm subjecting those that would rather stay out of politics to a thread filled with politics.  As they say...."my bad". 


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Not to get into the political discussion, but I would like to remind everyone who posts....and I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir in most cases, but if you don't want to talk politics or get involved in an on-line debate or discussion of politics, simply don't read the thread.

I am all in favor of the political debates, and have many heated discussions about issues with friends of all persuasions....if I get too disgusted with some of the stuff I see, I just ignore it; not the entire forum, just the specific topic or thread.

And just to give you a taste....I'm still a George Bush guy.  Heck! I would vote for him again....Do I agree with him all the way? Absolutely NOT, but I am in agreement enough that I still support him....

On the other hand, my wife leans the other way....so you can only begin to imagine....  ;o)

So, in a nutshell, Please do not remove yourself from the other topics on the site.  There is room for all of us....

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But it DOES relate to Williston


I am curious what "bringing us together"  "lifting us up" and "move us forward" means..  "unite America"   that smells like amnesty to me. This is a guy who is in favor of giving licenses to Illegal Aliens.  I hope Dorgan has more sense than  Conrad making that statement. 

The Illegal Alien problem costs America about 300 billion a year.  Yet we have warriors wounded defending out country and they cannot get medical care or disablilty or top notch veteran services. YET the illegals can get free medical care for their familes, free educations, free food stamps, and crawl across the border and give birth to get an anchor baby.. are we getting the picture here.

Does the child of a dead or wounded American Warrior recieve anything like that?
** Obama does NOT uphold the laws of our land by ensuring companies are fined for hiring illegal aliens
** Obama allows illegal aliens to sneak into our country
** Obama supports illegals getting drivers licenses. Have we forgot 9/11
** Obama never came out in protest to the congress stripping 3 billion from the border fence that was approved..
** Obama supports sanctuary cities where people who break or countries laws can hide
** Obama is in favor of extending welfare and medicaid to illegal immigrants. guess who picks up the tab on that one folks !!!!
** Obama voted yes in favor of allowing illegal Aliens social security, this is also on YOUR dime

Folks, you need to understand your neck of the woods is NEXT,  You need to tell your Senators and America that  you are not going to allow people to sneak into YOUR country and DEMAND to be taken care of...  I live in california . I want to retire in North Dakota and you need to DEFEND your borders and those of America..

And Please don't give me the racist arguement, I am married to a mexican and some of my best friends are naturalized american citizens.  This insanity was not fixed in 1986 and unless we put our foot down, its going to be a social and economic night mare. 
You want the truth !!  You can't handle the Truth !! (great movie)  its at
www.numbersusa.com


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Surprised at Conrad for Obama? Doesn't surprise me a bit. I think a bigger shock is Carolyn Kennedy saying JFK is similar to Obama.... uhhh.. To Carolyn: I didn't actually know JFK as I was only about 3 months old when JFK died. However, what I do know of JFK, Obama is no JFK smile.gif. How about a poll asking if this comparison of JFK to Obama has any logic to it whatsoever? smile.gif

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